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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite. Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6434 days Last view: 6432 days |
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Yeah, but rallying under a religion is much easier than rallying under a new idea with no past history or real reason. | |||
Deleted User Banned Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6433 days |
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Perhaps this is why people are bitter towards the christian religion; you've got morons with evil works that act like they are of God; when for a fact they are clearly going against what's in the bible, straight up without a doubt! KKK was a good example of people who are "of God", everyone believes and tries to convince their subconscious that their doing right, so that they won't feel guilty for whatever they are doing. There's very few true dedicated disciples today following God's teachings in the Word. | |||
Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite. Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6434 days Last view: 6432 days |
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Exactly Skyon. That's the whole point, people who use religion as a stage for doing things. That's what some poloticians do and that's the entire problem with religion in government.
I honestly wouldn't mind if a "Super Christian" took office, because he would follow what Jesus said very closely and make sure all people are treated equally. I have no problem with Christianity itself, or any religion really, I just have problems with people who use religion as a stage of sorts. |
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6705 days Last view: 6705 days |
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As do I. Religion should not be used in that way. But you've (likely inadvertantly) hit the nail on the head right there. It's not that religion in government is bad per se, but that certain crappy individuals misusing it are the problem. So forced atheism is hardly the answer. | |||
Schweiz oder etwas [12:55] (Dr_Death16); I swear, the word drama needs to be stricken from the dictionary, for I've heard it so many times, it will permanently be imprinted on my brain Since: 11-17-05 From: Kingston, Rhode Island Last post: 6432 days Last view: 6432 days |
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Originally posted by Valcion Originally posted by Dracoon Originally posted by Dracoon before Phil and in reference to Phil ....Sky, I think he was trying to say that the entire time. |
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6705 days Last view: 6705 days |
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Well, then I suppose if that's what he was trying to say earlier, then it wasn't until now that he actually succeeded in saying it to any extent. | |||
Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite. Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6434 days Last view: 6432 days |
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I wanted to point out how wrong you are and rant and probably flame, but I realized something, it isn't worth my time to type it or your time to read it and type out a response.
I would like to point something out though and bring this back to a debate. Originally posted by Skydude The government isn't forcing atheism on people, other people are, just like other people try to force different religions on people. Do you think the government really cares if there is a minute of silence in school that doesn't effect them at all? It's the kid's parents who has to bitch about and bring it to court and say it's wrong and say why it's wrong. Naturally the media focuses on it and blows it out of proportion and either says people are trying to force a religion on people or that they're trying to take religion away from people. If someone were to go and lock off the church I go to, I'd be pissed to no end, I wouldn't stand for that at all. (Unless there was some sort of serious problem inside the church like it was about to fall down, but that's implied.) Luckily, that will never happen, because I live in America and I have the choice to follow any religion I want to follow. And if I wanted to go somewhere to pray, why the hell would it be a government/state building? Why wouldn't I go to a church or my own home? I mean seriously, why the hell are people complaining? |
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Wurl Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6473 days Last view: 6473 days |
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Originally posted by Valcion Valcion wins this. Pat Robertson and the Christian Coalition are the ones usually behind this kind of stuff. And what they're behind is less "turn the other cheek" or actually helping, but rather condemn homosexuals and attack secularity or call for the killing of people (Hugo Chavez, terrorists). I could care less if a pastor supports a party or gives a political view as long as it's not a focus of the sermon to demonize opposition. |
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Deleted User Banned Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6433 days |
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Originally posted by WurlOriginally posted by Valcion Not all of the churches are less "turn the other cheek"; some of you guys are flat out stereotyping that all the varieties of churches are out to "seek and destroy", but you've got to catergorize the churches being more on the "seek and destroy" side; instead of putting them all in one big group, seperate the hypocrites; some churches talk about winning their hearts to God, not wanting to condemn people; there's a lot of good churches with a "we all mistakes" mentality, and that's true; a lot christians make mistakes, and repent for them. Don't start hating all religious people, because there are many types of religions; they can't be one! |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6432 days Last view: 6432 days |
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...That's what he said. | |||
Deleted User Banned Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6433 days |
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I'm just trying to say there are good churches, instead of being united with the hypocrites is all... I didn't see that anywhere in here. (edited by Skyon on 03-25-06 05:54 PM) (edited by Skyon on 03-25-06 06:07 PM) |
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Jomb Deddorokku Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6435 days Last view: 6435 days |
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If i came off as anti-religious it was unintentional. I'm not anti-religion per se, though i am most definately anti-state-instituted religion. I'm very much against organized religion being in charge of people's lives. That said, someone praying or finding strength in a higher power is fine, so long as they dont take the next step of forcing their beliefs on other people. That's extremely dangerous and exactly the reason we have and need to have the seperation of church and state.
Historical examples of church-lead brutality on the "heathens" is not irrelevant, and never will be. Ignoring history is a path tread by fools and the willfully-ignorant. The only non-religious group i can think of which had a genocide of sorts was the communists, but they did'nt do it "in the name of atheism!", it was done by some corrupt leaders to wipe out the potential threats to their power. If you must insist that everything is a religion and their is no such thing as atheism, then you have to say it was done in the name of their religion, which i guess would be communism. And as far as there being no recent religion-motivated atrocities going on, i seem to recall that not too long ago a christian group was participating in ethnic cleansing on some muslims in east europe, and a muslim group is trying to wipe us out in the name of religion as we speak. I have'nt heard it so much in this discussion, but i've seen it in dozens of similar debates, where some religious person will insist that Atheism is just another type of religion, which is silly. On that topic though, there is no "forced atheism" going on in this country that i'm aware of. I've never once seen the government rushing into a church and arresting everyone for praying, or teaching the youth that there is no God (or Gods). Not supporting any one religion or set of religions is not the same as out-lawing them or "forcing atheism" on people. There is such a thing as neutrality, its not always "you're for us, or you're against us" (edited by Jomb on 03-25-06 07:16 PM) |
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Deleted User Banned Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6433 days |
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Originally posted by Jomb I suppose your fair there; I think forcing religion is pure wickedry of Satan himself(My Beliefs). (Your Beliefs) I think forcing religion is pure wickedry; they use the name of God to justify their wrongdoings, and that is wrong!! So I agree being against forcing religion. In my beliefs; God gives you a choice of free will, because ultimately if it were the otherway, then why wouldn't he just "make" you believe. God leaves the choice to us, and if we choose not to believe; so be it. |
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