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||bass Administrator                    Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6433 days Last view: 6431 days |
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| Would someone please explain this to me? I continually run into people (mostly on the left) on the internet who are both AGAINST capital punishment and IN FAVOR OF allowing partial-birth abortions (I am speaking specifically about PARTIAL BIRTH abortions and not abortions in general, if you can't comprehend the difference, don't bother responding).
This makes no sence at all. If an execution is an unacceptable and the right to life is absoloute, then how can one possibly condone a partial birth abortion? At least the executed criminals did something to deserve it. Someone please explain this apperant contradiction in leftist attitudes. |
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Rydain Sir Kibble Blaze Phoenix Runs with the Dragon Within   Since: 11-18-05 From: State College, PA Last post: 6436 days Last view: 6432 days |
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| First off, what exactly do you mean by partial-birth abortion? Are you talking about abortions performed via intact dilation and extraction? Third trimester abortions? Something else entirely? I've seen the term "partial birth abortion" applied to procedures and time frames, and I can't tell you what I think of it specifically unless I know exactly what we're discussing.
On a general note, I feel that the right to life does not trump someone else's right to bodily sovereignty. This has been recognized by English common law - the basis of the United States legal system - for hundreds of years, and it was highlighted in the landmark case McFall vs. Shimp (Pennsylvania, 1978). In this case, McFall was dying of aplastic anemia, which could have been treated with a bone marrow transplant. Shimp, his cousin, agreed to be tested for compatibility. He was found to be an excellent match, but he backed out of the donation, and McFall sued him for the marrow. The judge cited common law when handing down the decision. (link) If the courts cannot force a person to do so little as donate bone marrow in order to save the life of a born, sentient human being, there is no basis whatsoever for them to compel a woman to undergo pregnancy - which carries risks of bodily injury and death and, at the very least, permanently changes her body - in order to gestate a fetus (which does not even have the potential for sentience until the third trimester, and even then, it may not actually comprehend anything until birth), which would absurdly grant said fetus rights over her body that it would lose at birth. It would also lower her legal status to beneath that of a corpse, which cannot have its resources taken without permission. I agree with the notion of bodily autonomy as absolute because our body is with us from birth until death, and our mind - our very existence - is a function of it. We cannot exist without our bodies. It makes sense to me that, in a society that values individual liberty, the owner of a body ought to have the last word on how its resources are used. As far as the death penalty is concerned, how do you know that everyone who is executed actually deserves it? Wrongful convictions and subsequent death sentences are not uncommon. According to this site, 122 people in 25 states have been exonerated from death row since 1973. I do not feel that executing people who do deserve it offers any benefits that are worth risking the chance of innocent people slipping through the cracks. Putting violent monsters in maximum security confinement for the rest of their lives keeps them from committing any more crime, and such a sentence can be commuted upon evidence of innocence. You can't pardon a corpse. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6431 days Last view: 6431 days |
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| I'm closing this thread - although an open leftist - I do not feel that such a hyperbole warrants discussion beyond what Rydain has said. She's made an objective take on this. This thread would be considered troll bait on a larger or more serious message board. | |||
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||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6433 days Last view: 6431 days |
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| Perfectly hypocritically liberal. Close what you don't agree with and then SCREAM freedom of discussion when it comes to long-winded Bush-bashing. All you screaming leftys make me want to vomit. |
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