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beneficii Broom Hatter Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6434 days Last view: 6431 days |
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What does this conflict portend? I don't believe that this conflict will directly lead to a major war, but it seems that the world is becoming less peaceful and more dangerous than it was in the last century. Conflicts like this make me nervous; could such a conflict occur in our home countries (if none of you are in Israel or Lebanon)? What direction do we seem to be going in this century? | |||
Vyper Kodondo Raging Venom Since: 11-18-05 From: Final Fantasy Fire Last post: 6448 days Last view: 6448 days |
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My dad (who's huge on politics)'s view:
We need to support Isreal's decision to go to war because they are protecting their sovreignty. Two words: Hezbollah and Hamas, two of the largest terrorist organizations in the world and by proxy, the Iranian army. Isreal, well within her rights I might add, is in the process of destroying Hezbollah and Hamas' ability to wage war against Isreal. It is unfortuante that you don't hear about the hundreds, dare I say thousands, of innocent Israelies slaughtered on a daily basis by these two despicable, cowardly terrorist organizations. These terrorists wear no uniforms, fly no flag, and target civilians on a regular basis without conscience or mercy. They deserve whatever Isreal decides is fitting. If Hezbollah did not hide their rockets and long-range weapons in civilian housing, in mosques, in schools, in grocery stores, in open-air markets, or in residential neighborhoods, Isreal would not be killing civilians; they would be killing terrorists. Unfortunately, however, these terrorist organizations do not have the courage to face their so-called enemy; instead they hide behind the skirts of women and children, and cry foul when they are found. (edited by Vyper on 07-27-06 09:25 PM) |
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6623 days Last view: 6623 days |
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Its single digit Israelis that die every day from rocket fire.
These terrorists (Hezbollah) DO wear uniforms. Your dad needs to sit down and actually read about the situation before making pointless conjecture. |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6445 days Last view: 6431 days |
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Ziff: if it were single digit Canadians that died everyday would your response be different?
or Americans, or anyone else but Israel? |
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6623 days Last view: 6623 days |
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So, are you accusing me of anti-semetism? Because that "anybody but the [Jewish State]" comment sounds an awful lot like it. | |||
geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6445 days Last view: 6431 days |
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not so much accusing, as suspecting.
It just seems like if it were a different country then the responses in this thread might be a little different too. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6432 days Last view: 6432 days |
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That's just retarded, really. Do you seriously think people who criticise Israel are anti-semetic?
I think Tony Judt in Haaretz nailed it in this article in Haaretz talking about the complete reversal in Israel's image in the world and its loss of moral credibility and sympathy between 1967 and 2006:
(edited by Arwon on 07-31-06 02:04 AM) |
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Vyper Kodondo Raging Venom Since: 11-18-05 From: Final Fantasy Fire Last post: 6448 days Last view: 6448 days |
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Originally posted by ziffhasnoaim/password Please, show me their uniforms. I'm dying to see them. |
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6623 days Last view: 6623 days |
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Hezbollah marching |
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Vyper Kodondo Raging Venom Since: 11-18-05 From: Final Fantasy Fire Last post: 6448 days Last view: 6448 days |
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Ok, so there's one flawed point in my argument. The rest of it still stands. | |||
Sin Dogan 860 Uoodo Original Blend Armored Trooper Votoms Canned Coffee! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6435 days Last view: 6434 days |
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Originally posted by Vyper Pwned Again: Originally posted by Vyper Maybe because there aren't HUNDREDS of Israelis killed everyday! Seriously, where do you get your facts? I just love how the US is speeding up delivery of these bombs for Israel to rain down upon Lebanon and still tries to come across as an intermediary. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6431 days Last view: 6431 days |
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If they do happen, it's probably not JUST by those organizations. Those numbers could appear from anywhere, and it still seems unlikely to me they are realistic. | |||
Vyper Kodondo Raging Venom Since: 11-18-05 From: Final Fantasy Fire Last post: 6448 days Last view: 6448 days |
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Originally posted by Jin DoganMy father was referring to a cumulative number.Originally posted by Vyper |
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6623 days Last view: 6623 days |
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Cumulative on a daily basis? | |||
Vyper Kodondo Raging Venom Since: 11-18-05 From: Final Fantasy Fire Last post: 6448 days Last view: 6448 days |
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Originally posted by ziffhasnoaim/passwordSo I worded it wrong. Sue me. |
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Sin Dogan 860 Uoodo Original Blend Armored Trooper Votoms Canned Coffee! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6435 days Last view: 6434 days |
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The bottom line is that Israel's goal is to stop Hezbollah missiles from hitting Israel(so they say), not to crush Hezbollah entirely. With all those attacks, Israel still only has 19 civilians dead as opposed to the death toll in Lebanon nearing 1,000(at about 750 now). How at all is this worth it? | |||
geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6445 days Last view: 6431 days |
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worth it?
if your country had soldiers kidnapped what would it do? go kick some ass and get them back. Israel is defending itself and probably trying to wipe Hezbollah off the map in the process. Israel has the right to be doing what it is doing. Armed militants in the south of Lebanon declared war when those soldiers were kidnapped. If the war is to end, those soldiers have to be returned and Hezbollah needs to disband. Otherwise Israel will continue to attack until to reaches those same goals it's way resulting in more death but eventual victory for Israel. |
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6623 days Last view: 6623 days |
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So is it wrong for the militant organizations that have formed following this new incursion into Lebanon to fight? | |||
Sin Dogan 860 Uoodo Original Blend Armored Trooper Votoms Canned Coffee! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6435 days Last view: 6434 days |
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Originally posted by geeogree Hahaha! Oh please, you think an attack like that is warranted for the capture of two soldiers? It's just an excuse to attack Lebanon. I guess the attacks on Palestinians because of that ONE soldier were also called for. I mean who cares if the Israelis have captured countless Palestinian civilians including women and children? |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6445 days Last view: 6431 days |
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this is not the first thing that Hamas or Hezbollah has done to Israel.
Think about the analogy of the straw that broke the camel's back. When you look only at the straw, the reaction of the camel seems silly, since only a single straw was added and it broke the camel's back. However, when looking at the entire bundle of straw on the camel, the reaction is justified. |
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