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Arwon Bazu                   Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| That's not a perfect system. That's not even a system, what you've essentially proposed is "if we can change people from being lazy selfish short-sighted stupid slobs then we will be able to have a better government".
Well, duh. Hell, you've even proposed an end to disagreement because "everyone will be properly educated about things". Um, have you ever been among educated people? even those in the same profession? Turning EVERYONE into an academic or planning bureaucrat is not going to end disagreement. At all. EVER. Any system that requires you to change people utterly in order to make them fit the system you've dreamt up isn't worth the magical fairy-dust moon-sparkle paper it's written on. Better men than you have tried to make people change to fit their ideal system, and it always ends horribly. (edited by Arwon on 04-07-06 12:30 AM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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Originally posted by [GGS Is this your way of begging me not to argue with you again? You're wrong of course, especially in saying that the movie was depressing (EXPLAIN HOW!), but could you at least get the name right. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| They uh, sound like their name. | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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Originally posted by Kirk Bradford Myers That's actually part of the brilliance of the film. I know people who think it's hilarious and love it, and people who dont find it funny at all and think it's the best thing they've ever seen. To me, the combination of humour and pathos and drama and sadness is what makes it such an awesome film. For my part though, I find a lot of it hilarious... it's all in the dialogue, the understated and awkward little moments. "Do you send my mother your clippings" "Please stop belittling me" "You don't love my any more" "I still love you kind of" And then of course there's anything involving Pagoda or Duddley... |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| Skyon, I wanna call you out on this because the other thread got closed beause of all your other whiny persecution-complex, "oh we run this country and still manage to feel like a marginalised minority" stuff. As far as that goes... get over it.
What I wanna talk about is the Gospel of Judas and your claim that it's a plot to destroy the reputation of Jesus. How so? Mainstream Christian beliefs have no explanation for how to go about reconciling the view of Judas as an evil traitor, with the idea that both Jesus and God knew He must die to fulfil his theological destiny. Judas betrayed Jesus for an absolutely token sum and the idea of him acting under orders to facilitate Jesus' tragic destiny makes a hell of a lot of sense, especially when compared to the mainstream canon which offers no plausible explaination for how he can be a reviled traitor, if without him the death and ressurrection never happened. (edited by Arwon on 04-07-06 10:06 PM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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Originally posted by DracoonOriginally posted by Grey Because Dante was a sick motherfucker? |
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Arwon Bazu  Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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Originally posted by Skydude FUCK IT, WE'RE GOING TO FIVE BLADES |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| Occasionally, depending on access to it. I don't seek it out, and now that I'm no longer associated with a certain girl I'm not really in regular social contact situations where it's around.
So I guess I am a mooching bum. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| You're 21 and you still live at home? Move out man. Then you won't have to see your parents so much. | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| Boy's got the jungle fever. | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| Aww, now I feel like the jerk who picks on the slow kids. ): | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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Originally posted by Vyper Two things: No it isn't. Second: Virtually everyone does. I defy you to find me a significant number of second-generation immigrants who do not speak English. As for first-gen, that's just how it works, not every first-gen immigrant will ever learn the language of their new country with any real success. Even when there's serious effort, any language is difficult to learn with fluency, especially in adulthood. You're going to end up una nación bilingüe. You practically are already, but so fucking what? How does that hurt you in even the slightest way? The language thing really isn't an issue, and besides, Spanish is a great language, it has a certain... yo no se que. ... Finally, as a general point, I think blaming the shitty employment conditions at the bottom end of the American labour market on immigrants, illegal or otherwise, is insane and wrong, as it has been every other time through US history that the idea has raised its ugly head. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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In the US and El Salvador at present there are a couple of developments in the abortion debate free-for-all which make me question the idea that the wingnuts are all about the "sanctity of life" in their opposition to abortion. It's recently been pointed out to me that many wingnuts seem to be far more concerned about the concept of punishing people for sex than the protection of life... it is a concept interwoven in the deepest parts of Christianity.
It has a long history, too--there was a time when anaesthetic in childbirth was seen as a sin because it let a woman avoid some of the punishment of Eve. It's right at the core of Original Sin... even if it doesn't get spoken of much these days, it's still there and it's been shaping the cultural traditions of Christianity for 2 millennia. Historically it's obviously been very important to justifying and reinforcing the subordination of women, even in the time of Mark Twain people were flat-out saying anasthesia in childbirth is a sin because it is attempting to avoid the Original Sin punishment handed down to women. It's simple really: Having sex and not risking pregnancy -- the pain and discomfort and even death that can result from it -- means you're bypassing the punishment God handed down for Eve's sins. Risk-free sex is nothing less than the complete rejection of God's punishment... and it terrifies these people. Very very few say it openly but you can detect it simmering below the surface of all the stuff about protecting the sanctity of life. How else can one explain the following?: 1: The Plan B contraception pill being available over the counter has become controversial. This is a pill that can be used to temporarily prevent the release of unfertilised eggs, so that after unprotected sex a woman can ensure that her ovaries dont drop an egg at the wrong moment. There is no zygote, no fetus, no embryo, no babies. Any claim that this argument is about the life of a baby is null and void, it's not even valid under "life begins at fertilization" because there's no fertilisation. It prevents conception and some people still find it abhorrent. 2. A South Dakota legislator, presumably one of the architects of the ban on virtually all abortions intended to orchestrate a supreme court challenge against Roe vs Wade, has officially stated that the case for abortion is solely: raped christian virgins. Why only christians? Because they had sin forced upon them, so she has no need to suffer the punishment of Eve. As for everyone else? Well, they've already gotta suffer because of original sin.. Only a woman who has never choosen to have sex is allowed to be kept from the "consequences". 3. Pharmacists have denied women vitamins and antibiotics related to abortion. Denying prescriptions, as well as being a fundamental violation of the damn job of a pharmacist, is obviously quite dangerous to the women in question. For these people, it's not about life, it's about women suffering the consequences of sex. For that matter, you have some of these people opposing the free or mandatory application of the Chlamydia vaccination... because it might encourage sex. Better that people die of uterine cancer. 4. Finally we have El Salvador. Some fairly extreme anti-abortion laws have been in effect there for about 8 years. No rape clause, no health clause, nothing. Women can be jailed for up to 50 years if they have an abortion, with no exceptions for things involving the danger of death in the mother. There is a specific law-enforcement aparatus to police this ban, involving forensic vagina specialists who treat the woman's body as a crime scene, and something called vaginal search warrants. They've been known to handcuff comatose patients to their hospital beds. The ban and its enforcement gets most horrific in cases such as when a woman has something called an "ectopic pregnancy", doctors have to wait until the fallopian tube bursts before they are legally allowed to intervene to save her life, and face imprisonment themselves if they intervene to save her life beforehand. Is this about Life? No. It is however, from a philosphical point of view, quite consistant with the view that life begins at conception and the zygote has all the rights to protection from harm that this entails. Much moreso than the more normal western view with all the nuances about rape and health concerns which are kind of hard to square with "abortion is murder" Anyways, leaving the horrors of El Salvador hanging, as both as a graphic counterpoint to anti-abortion gross-out screeds and an illustration of the consequences of a pure "abortion is murder" stance, the point I'm trying to make is that a lot of anti-abortion feelings go far beyond any idea of protecting life or anything like that. How wide-spread is this idea about punishment for sex? Impossible to say, but the idea is very deeply ingrained in the Christian religion, after all. Moreover, this moral battle has been going on for a long time... as I return to the examples I opened this post: Just look at the controversy in times-past over condoms or anaesthesia in child-birth. Their echoes are certainly still reverberating through the rhetoric of the wingnuts. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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Originally posted by Skydude I am by no means accusing all anti-abortion folks. Just some of the more drooling and out-there wingnuts. And Vyper, apparently. The idea that some people believe sex needs to be punished and their abortion views are closely associated with this is, I don't think, debatable. (edited by Arwon on 04-18-06 09:24 PM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| The funny thing is, countries with the frankest and most explicit and non-moralistic sex-education tend to have the lowest rates of teen pregnancy and STIs and whathave you (Sweden, the Netherlands). So I think Skydude is absolutely wrong that they need to stress abstinence. If that's all they said to you, they needed to address the psychosocial issues... ownership of one's body, respect for other people, and not succumbing to pressure to do things you're not comfortable with.
But fuck abstinence as a major point... it's unrealistic and probably even counterproductive. (edited by Arwon on 04-19-06 11:34 PM) (edited by Arwon on 04-19-06 11:38 PM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| What sort of world do you live in where ANYONE FUCKING THOUGHT THAT MOVIE COULD POSSIBLY BE GOOD?
Wherever it is, get the fuck out of there... now. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| Birth rates are trending downwards virtually everywhere actually. No-one's really sure why, but even in the third world they're dropping. I think that the Middle East was an exception, can't remember any others. Anyways, many reliable population predictions have us levelling out at around 10 billion people.
Of course, the population problem goes so far beyond actual numbers. There's the demography issue Skydude raises, but that's mainly a first-world issue. There's also the question of standard of living of those 10 billion people... with China and India industrialising and increasing their standard of living and resource consumption, even if population growth stopped now the demand on the planet would still continue increasing. Even if population growth stopped or reversed we'd still have a finite planet of finite resources that we were using in a wasteful manner. (edited by Arwon on 04-21-06 01:08 AM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION!?!? TEN-YARD THREAD PENALTY!!!
That's a term coined by the anti-abortion lobby a decade ago and is only used in political discourse. The correct medical term is "intact dilation and extraction", or IDX but I guess that didn't make a suitable buzz-word. Moreover the term is used to blur together this particular procedure with less "gross" procedures under the political blanket term designed to make them all seem worse than they are. IDX constitutes about .2% of all abortions and are mostly used as an alternative to C-sections or childbirth in cases where the fetus is dead, deformed or unlikely to survive birth, or in cases of maternal danger. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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| That'd be a resounding meh.
The Chinese government sucks. What are you gonna do? |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6320 days |
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Originally posted by Silvershield So? If the cut-off is fertilisation, the human womb murders far more babies than doctors ever could. "Life begins at conception" is absolute bunk. Life "begins" at some ill-defined grey-area between the second and third trimester, and even then it's tenuous. |
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Really, that movie was actually almost sad, in a way. Imagine Lorne Greene taking some sleeping pills and trying to do a stand-up comedy routine. That's about how funny this movie was...