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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by DracoonI can't say whether the teacher violated any sort of law, mainly because I'm not familiar enough with law in general to make that call. But I still think that what she did was reprehensible insomuch as she overstepped her bounds as a teacher and infringed on the rights of a parent. For all I know, the parents of every single child in that classroom might be all for gay marriage, but the teacher is obliged to use the appropriate channels to actually determine that for certain before disseminating those values to young children. Originally posted by DracoonI really don't know how to classify your specific set of beliefs, so I intended that "you" as more of a general pronoun rather than one directed at you personally. Either way, the disclaimer is there, so don't get bent out of shape.Originally posted by Silvershield |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by SkreenameJoe, a hypothetical parent, is personally opposed to abortion. However, abortion is currently legal. Therefore, Joe must teach his children that abortion is acceptable.Originally posted by Silvershield I disagree. |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by SkreenameJoe's kids should not be educated in abortion and contraception until they're of an age at which they can both comprehend it and it can actually serve some practical use. No second grader is going to need an abortion, just as no second grader is going to be questioning his own sexuality. There's no need to "know it exists" - in fact, it is perhaps harmful to know - if the children are not of age to approach it with a critical and intelligent eye. Until then, it's just feeding them information that is counterproductive to the development of basic human and intellectual skills that are forming at that age. |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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In no particular order beyond, for the most part, the number of posts each has; I perused the Member Ranks page to jog my memory.
Captain Subtext: A real-life friend, as well as someone I admire for retaining strong values. Skydude: One of the few people who will always supply an opinion both thoughtfully and without personal attacks. Rydain: I almost never agree with her politics, but she is generally likeable and unexceptionably friendly. Ghost: Devoutly religious, though not always exp Kasumi-Astra: Strong and forgiving in the face of adversity. geeogree: Will never back down when he feels his beliefs have been attacked or called into question. Arwon: Fairly good at debate, and well-informed. Tommathy: Witty and intelligent. drjayphd: No real reason, just a likeable person . Wurl: Not afraid to call it like he sees it. Dracoon: Thorough in his approach to a discussion, even though he's usually wrong . Danielle: From what I've seen, shares a number of values with me, and I obviously like that in a person. Any names left out are probably more because I don't strongly associate a username with a particular post or posts. I might have really enjoyed a conversation with someone in the past, or truly appreciated something he or she said, but the user handle simply did not stick strongly enough in my mind for whatever reason. |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by Young GuruThe kids don't understand the meaning of the words. They know that the words can be used to cut and to cause pain and, for preadolescent boys (and straight into adolescence), that's a main objective in dealing with other male children. Even in high school, "queer" and "fag" are common insults; it's certainly not right, but in most cases it's just a case of the words having lost their meaning and few kids are really all that hateful toward gays. To debase a rival through questioning his masculinity is an effective strategy, but that's not to say that there's some sort of hatred toward gays in general. Originally posted by Young GuruWell, if a parent is so screwed up as to promote swearing and stealing, then that's how he's going to raise his child. It sucks, yeah, but there's no way you can draw the line at what a parent should be able to teach his kids and what he shouldn't. Can I teach my kid that black people are the devil? No, that's not right, so it shouldn't be allowed. How about that homosexuals go against God? Well, that may or may not be right, but it's still counterproductive to raising a fully tolerant person. How about that abortion is wrong? Many people support abortion, so in doing so I might be offending someone else's sensibilities on the matter. You see, no matter how bad of a parent someone is, there's just no way to determine where to draw the line. I don't know what more to say about that. |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by DanielleOk then, surrender your custom title. If it really isn't all that important, then you won't mind not having one for yourself . |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by Young GuruSorry that this reply is a long time in coming. What my argument really boils down to is this: whether gay marriage is or is not, should or should not, be such a hotbutton issue is irrelevant. Ideally, sure, it wouldn't be such a problem. But also, whether you think it is right or wrong is irrelevant. If any parent takes issue with it, for any reason or for no reason at all, that parent has the right to prevent his child from exposure to it. Imagine it were the Christian religion that were being taught, instead of gay marriage. Surely Christianity is not a damaging topic - at its purest, it is an ethos of love and respect, just like homosexuality at its purest is not the disgusting deviancy it is often hyped up as - but I have no doubt you (that's a general "you," not necessarily you specifically) would want to exercise your right to determine whether or not your child has to sit in a classroom in which it is taught. In the eyes of any rational, open-minded person, there is nothing wrong with the essentials of Christian thought, but those who perceive it as a religion of hate or stupidity will certainly keep their children from it; likewise, there is nothing wrong with the essentials of homosexuality or its culture, but those who perceive it as that hyped up image will want it to remain absent in schools. Put simply, if you want homosexality to be taught in schools in any capacity, from simple gay marriage to full-blown idiosyncratic gay fetishes, I want those same schools to institute a curriculum that emphasizes my religion. |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by TaraleI was being sarcastic. Essentially, nothing is a "big deal" as long as it isn't detrimental to you. The five guys that I grouped with this year to enter next year's housing selection at my college all had a rather low total of priority points (the score that determines how a person ranks as far as what order they'll choose their living space), making our group average rather low even as mine personally was high. We ended up being forced into the least desirable dorm building on campus, while our two groups of friends had higher averages and each got the most desirable building. While I and my partners complain about how much we resent where we've ended up, our friends all talk about how great it would be to have the housing we have, citing reasons A, B, and C. "If it's really going to be so great," I ask them, "why don't you and I switch and I'll live in your spot next year while you take mine?" Naturally, they all refuse. You see, getting the short end of the stick isn't so bad as long as you've got the long end; it takes actually experience being screwed to understand how much being screwed sucks. Originally posted by DanielleSo? No matter what the reason for which you have it, you still play it off as it it's not a big thing. If it really isn't a big thing, surrender your right to have it at all. You spammed like crazy to have that stupid little custom title - and note that I don't mean to say that you, Danielle, have spammed, but that a great proportion of the higher post count users have a record of less than thoughtful posts - and it's not a big deal because it required so little effort. But try to post as I do - again, note that I'm using myself as an example rather than to paint myself as some sort of paragon - and you'll find that you'll probably never reach that sort of post count. I don't participate in any sort of thread that calls for little one-liner posts, or in any thread that encourages terse back and forth discussion; I aim for quality over quantity, to use the cliche. Originally posted by ImajinThe right way? Good luck finding any member with a significant post count who doesn't participate in the sort of thread that is a million pages worth of mindless stupidity. See most anything in the Craziness Domain, if you need an example. That forum is just sanctioned, thinly-veiled spamming. Edit: Just to back up what I've said, let me give you a rundown of the three top-ranked members' posting habits. Nothing against Alastor, Danielle, or Trapster, but all of the three have something in common. Alastor has twice as many posts in Craziness as in the next closest forum; Danielle's second most-posted forum is Craziness, following General Chat by a small margin (and, it should be noted, Gen Chat is often full of threads that are better suited to Craziness...); Trapster has at least 200 more posts in Craziness than in any other forum. Of the three, the Display Case also consitutes a significant percentage of posts, but a bit of delving demonstrates that that forum is full of mainly Craziness Domain threads or, at the very least, threads from less spammy forums that are individually somewhat spammy in nature anyway. I've gone through quite a bit of effort to prove something so trivial, but what it comes down to is that this board rewards people who post mindless garbage at as fast a rate as possible. That stupid custom title is supposed to be something of a status symbol that demonstrates a member's superiority in some respect, but those posters who have titles - or, at least the ones who achieve them quickly - are really superior only in that they can run around to worthless threads, post three lines of drivel, and bail out to dash to another similarly pointless thread. No offense intended, but seriously, the system is flawed. (edited by Silvershield on 05-13-06 03:48 AM) |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by MathOnNapkinsQuit crying? I'm hardly "crying" about anything. You guys all suck! I want a custom title too, and I don't want to work for it! You're all stupid spammers! That's crying. What I did was take the time to put together an argument far more comprehensive than is probably appropriate for the silly subject matter, but which is valid nonetheless. This isn't an issue of me complaining about something without reason, or protesting against a system that is essentially flawless, but me pointing out how ridiculous the justification behind these custom titles is. Essentially, you spam and you get recognition and an added degree of freedom in the form of a custom title; otherwise, you never achieve such a thing. At the old board - the very first one, I should say - I had a custom title too. But that was after being there for years. It didn't exactly come quick. For a point of reference, Skydude picked up his custom title after being here for a period of mere weeks. Now, I love him to death, but a lot of his posts are of questionable content just judging from his prominence in the various stickied threads in Craziness. (In his defense, he's quite active in the Story Forum and formerly in Debate, so he is something of an exception.) |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by SkreenameMost that I've seen will only guarantee characters for a set period of time, but will in reality preserve them forever. People have dropped EverQuest then picked it back up years later to find their old characters still around. Again, each is only guaranteed to be there for x months, but that's not a reflection on the true situation. Originally posted by Clockwork JBI love 'em. Many people don't. It really depends on any number of things. |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by Rain ManThat's fine, and totally justified; if you merit promotion to staff, then you certainly merit a custom title. Originally posted by Rain ManUhh...no. Have you read a word I've written? Unless by "work" you mean "pop into a thread, scribble ten words that are irrelevant or at least contribute little of value, and run off to pop into a different thread and do the same thing" then you've got the idea exactly. Otherwise, no, there's really no work involved. A reward that's supposed to reflect a user's contribution to the board only reflects that user's willingness to write as much as is humanly possible without worrying whether it contributes much of anything. |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by TaraleNo, I'm neither requesting a change nor suggesting any sort of appropriate measure to replace what we currently have. I'm just pointing out that, as it stands, a perk that is intended as a reward for valuable citizenship is, in reality, an indicator that a person is responsible for a good bit of one of Internet message boards' high crimes - that is, spamming. I don't mean to label some of our more respected members as spammers, but let me be realistic: the Craziness Domain contains, as I said, little more that sanctioned, thinly-veiled spam, and the three members with the overwhelmingly highest post counts are all especially active in that forum. Do the math. The only foolproof solution is to open custom titles to everyone, but that's not ideal; I like to think that it should be kept as a bonus for people who have demonstrated their worth, but the current criterion for determining worth is not a relevant one for indicating that attribute. Your suggestion that a moderator can flag a user who has demonstrated merit is a good one on paper, but it is flawed isasmuch as many users who are certainly valuable to the board community could easily fly under the radar. A person who is invaluable in a ROM hacking forum, for example, might never draw the attention of a person who could grant him a title, because that forum is not heavily trafficked. |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by DagshaI don't know if that is the best choice, really. (ding) |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by TaraleThe only viable manual methods would be too labor intensive to be practical considering the meager return on the time investment. That is to say, it would take a lot of micromanagement to make a manual system to work - multiple moderators regulary scanning various topics and keeping tabs on individual users, and coming to a consensus on the value of each - but it "could" work. Originally posted by TaraleI don't expect everyone to write a dissertation every time they post (like I have the dubious habit of doing...), but you honestly must recognize what goes on in some of our forums here. To pick a few winners out of the current lineup in the Craziness Domain: 1. Is it weird to eat graphite? 2. Man, I just love the taste of blood. 3. Let's all get together and congratulate me on posting 57 threads. 4. 5,000 threads yay 5. Secret Origin of Wurl?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!? Those are all thread titles from Craziness; you can just guess at how profound and worthwhile their content must be. And they're just a quick sample from scanning the first page - I could go on much longer if you'd like. I'm not asking that everyone write 1000 words of hard-hitting political rhetoric in each post, but c'mon - that stuff is nonsense! I'm all for having fun, but there is a limit. An entire forum devoted to spam is beyond that limit. Edit for subject-verb agreement. (edited by Silvershield on 05-13-06 05:22 AM) |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by TaraleJust because something is tradition isn't reason enough to allow it to remain. A major criticism of people who are politically conservative is that those ideals which are to be conserved should prove some merit in the present day - a history of useful contribution in the past is not reason enough to preserve an otherwise useless tradition. I don't know why the social center of this board is a forum that explicitly deviates from a rule posted prominently in the oft-cited FAQ. Rule one: no spamming. There it is, in plain letters and with a bit of profanity to hammer home the point, yet one of the most active boards at Acmlm's is in direct violation. How ridiculous is that? Why can't social life here revolve around discussion of topics that have at least some significance? Most of General Chat, with some occasional exceptions, qualifies, so why do people flock to Craziness? Because they can post like crazy (pun intended) and get away with it. That's why. Originally posted by TaraleThat's a great suggestion that I wish I'd thought of. Anyone using Craziness Domain for what you describe - as a social board - don't care much that it's boosting their post counts; people using it to inflate their post counts are violating the rules anyway, so it's ok if they lose out by getting a custom title later. Cool with me. |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by DagshaSo, a thread that "would" evolve into something of worth, a thread about "nothing," and a "stupidly pointless thread" constitute worthwhile discussion? The two exceptions, if they are as valuable as you suggest, would be perfectly relevant and acceptable in Gen Chat instead, so they're not even in the right forum. Essentially, the only threads that really belong in Craziness are the ones that are worthless. So, we have a forum for talking about nothing. That's what spam is. Originally posted by DagshaIf the rule is so stringent as to merit a "goddamn" in the FAQ, why is an exception allowed? Originally posted by DagshaWhy? Originally posted by DagshaSo, the best way to deal with a problem is to "get over it?" Should people who objected to Hitler's regime have "gotten over it?" (Godwin invoked intentionally, to be funny [I hope]!>). But seriously, why should I have to "get over" something instead of pursuing a solution to it? What is your definition of a "quality post" and a "regular basis?" |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by mattpIs that an attempt at sarcasm? |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by rekawdniwIf you were younger than x years of age, and your parents did not approve of you learning about religion, you shouldn't have been learning about it. If it is at all objectionable, and a child's parents have any reason to keep their child from it, it is their right to do so. Like I've said, this applies just as much to essentially harmless teachings - Christianity and homosexuality, as two examples - as it does to obviously harmful or biased content. The reason I make that point is that there can be no single arbiter for what is objectionable and what isn't; to different observers, Christianity might be objectionable, or homosexuality might be, or both, or neither, or whatever. But who's to say which person is correct? |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by Snow TomatoMaybe there is nothing wrong with sex, but as long as you stick to that mindset you'll be destined to have your heart broken repeatedly. I'm not going to call you a slut or anything like that if you give it up to a guy very early in a relationship - my values are obviously different than yours, but to each his own - but it's a bit silly for you to complain about not knowing a guy's motives but then refusing to resort to the only course that will allow you to determine those motives. Even if you don't believe in withholding sex until later in a relationship, it's the only practical method I can imagine that will allow you to know what a guy's intentions are. If you keep it from him and he's cool with it (for an extended period of time - not a week), then you've landed a winner. If he complains about it frequently or tries to rush you, that's a pretty good sign that he's not in it for your wonderful personality. It's common sense. I'm not trying to tell you that sex is bad - like I said, you and I have a different opinion regarding the role of sex in a relationship, but I'm not here to argue that with you - but you're stupid if you complain about getting involved with shallow guys when you have a very effective way of finding out that such guys are shallow before you give them your heart. You're just too horny to be patient and use it. Originally posted by Snow TomatoWell, if you're giving him sex every time that you've hung out, then he's probably coming back again because he expects it to continue...are you really not cognizant of that? Originally posted by Snow TomatoSure, with a good deal of heartache to accompany it. Why not just use my brilliant afore-described strategy to catch a jackass early in your relationship and avoid the problem before it becomes a situation that could be emotionally damaging? |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6327 days |
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I can prove that I had one too but, after going through all the trouble to fight this, I doubt I'd even make use of it if I my custom title were reinstated. I'm not bringing up this issue out of selfish desire to have a title for myself, but because I see it as a component of this board that is undeniably counterproductive. People so often preach about the evils of spam, or a banned user is given a witty little custom title that notes that he was banned for spamming, but all the while there's an incredibly active forum that allows and encourages it. And these titles give the illusion that the possessor is an exceptionally contributing member, while it's likely that he just spends a bunch of time in that ridiculous forum. |
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