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Silvershield   580                   Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Just to provide a bit of anecdotal evidence, I've never seen or heard of anyone, at least within Roman Catholicism, being criticized or antagonized for not donating money to the Church. When I go to Sunday Mass alone, for example - because my parents go at an ungodly hour of the morning, while I decide to go to the noon Mass - I rarely have any cash to put into the donation basket, but I've hardly gotten an evil eye or an unkind word for it.
I can't speak for other denominations, but I know that donating to the Catholic Church is optional, both in theory and practice. |
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Crayola Double stone axe   Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6346 days Last view: 6309 days |
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| Wow that was such a good point plus sign no really I mean it.....
Sarcasm aside I am glad to see SS in the debate, it was getting really one sided for a while in here. And by the Catholic Church I meant the Old Catholic Church during the dark ages perhaps I have been misinformed of the Plight of the believers during the Dark ages or whatever they are called. http://www.white-history.com/hwr41.htm This is the only thing even close to what I meant but it doesn’t deal with the issues I was talking about, The Canterbury Tales could probably be cited as a good source. The Friars role is slightly what I was I referring to. Honestly I am very tired and do not wish to over think something that has not affect over my life. I will get back to you guys tomorrow I am too sleepy to respond properly and feel that my ideas will get misconstrued. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES  Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6278 days |
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| Okay then.
We're comparing the practises of the church from 1000 years ago to the practises of a modern institution? Alright, am I the only one that thinks this is completely illogical, farsical and anachronistic? Also, thanks for showing your true stripes. Posting up a website based from a white supremist ideology! |
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drjayphd Torosu OW! BURNY!  Since: 11-18-05 From: CT Last post: 6282 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6278 days Last view: 6278 days |
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Originally posted by Crayola Oh yay. Sexism in another forum. Racism in this one. Any more isms for other forums?  Are we going for a hat-trick?
EDIT: Just to make it clear -- don't do it again. (edited by Tarale on 12-12-06 12:26 AM) |
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drjayphd Torosu OW! BURNY! Since: 11-18-05 From: CT Last post: 6282 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by TaraleOriginally posted by Crayola Oooh! Ooh! Can we have ageism? Pleeeeeease? 
But yeah, if you believe in that shit, you're not going to have many people taking you seriously here. Better bring something else to the plate. |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6278 days |
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Originally posted by AlastorOriginally posted by emcee...other stuff Faith does not require the inability to neither prove nor disprove. Faith has nothing to do with proof, that's the whole point. As you said, faith is not science. That's why which one can be proven or disproven (technically not even a word) is a completely moot point. And Xenu was an alien, therefor he could have used alien technology to remove any evidence of the nuclear explosion. There's your counterargument. Anyway, I only joined this discussion to refute your points about what is core Christianity and that Scientology can be conclusively proven false, and Christianity can't. I think I've done that whether you agree or not, so I'm done with this thread, because the rest of it is kind of stupid. |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6346 days Last view: 6309 days |
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| You are so stupid , really it is sad if you had went to the site you would have known it was about white history much as other sites or about black history , I don’t call any other race raciest for tracing the origins of their culture.
(I’m not even white assholes) ---------------The only art works of note of the Dark Ages are all scenes from the Bible, or those depicting great Christian events of the time: non-Christian events were ignored unless they had direct relevance to the Church. In this way even the figure of Jesus Christ became European---------- You suggest the relevance of everything to lie in the title congratulations. Now I will look for a better example of what I was originally trying to point out at school please try and not say anything else out of ignorance. |
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Young Guru Snifit  Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6285 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| I haven't had the chance to read through the site you posted, but it appears that you're saying that Christianity in medieval europe had such dominance that all other art forms were dismissed. This is not a fault to christinaty, it is just a description of the time. I'll take a more critical offense of people attributing the characteristics of the time to create a situation that just isn't true. Many (I'm not sure on what percentage) Christians will tell you that the Jews killed Jesus. While strictly speaking, this is true, everyone in Jerusalem at that time was either a Jew or a Pagan. So yeah, the Jews killed Jesus, who was himself a Jew, as were all his disciples, his mother, his father, and a whole bunch of other people. Just because the times predicates that the Jews killed Jesus doesn't bring any fault to Jewish people now. It's just ludicris, which is what I seem to be drawing from your conclusions about medieval artwork.
Also, the doctrine of the Catholic Church (the original Christianty, from which other protestant sects have broken off, but let's not get into that discussion of which sect is more correct, not relevant to the arguement) has absolutely no doctrine against discussing religious faith with others. In fact, I would say it encourages Catholics to embrace others who are not of their faith and to discuss it with them. Honestly, how strong is your faith if you cannot defend it against other's complaints and questions about it. Moving on to the need for money in the Christian faith. You said earlier it is the teachings of the faith and not the people who run it that determine the validity of the faith. So take money in the Christian faith, Jesus never preached about hoarding money, he always preached about helping others. If you have two coats share it with one who has none, if you have food share it with those who have none. Basically, if you look at his teachings, it was pure communism. But Jesus never said anything about how if you don't pay for religious services you won't make it to the Kingdom of God, just flat out never. He preached love and that's what was required for eternal life. Moving onto Scientology, the founder of the religion does not advocate donations, he demands it. It's in his writings (and he even said, many times, that if a man wants to become a millionaire, start a religion). This would be akin to Jesus making statements like that (which he did not). Another thing, L. Ron Hubbard created Scientology to be a religion. His intent of the whole thing was to create a religion. If you look at the teachings of Jesus, he never came to earth to create a religion, that was not his intent, his intent was to show people how to live. Jesus says that with his coming is the end of the Law (i.e. the old jewish scripture and 10 commandments and beatitudes). Basically, what this means is that with his coming he is presenting to the people a way to eternal life that was not possible before and that what he preaches has more authority than the commandments (see, he doesn't say that the commandments are bad, just that what he brings is from a higher authority, the highest authority). So yes, Christianity does rake in a ton of money, but as you said earlier, if you look at the teachings of the scripture there is nothing in there saying that giving money is necessary, just love, pure and simple. Now scientology does require money, it's in their books, it's not just somebody manipulating the writings they use to construe it that way. So don't hold Catholicism to a standard that you won't hold Scientology to (namely that people altering Christian teachings becomes part of Christian Doctrine whereas actual doctrine of Scientology is just people mistreating the writings). And finally, emcee has a good point, this is faith, there is no proof for faith, only attempts at justifing it. I do think that with an analytical comb one can find more truth in Christianity (even Judaism, Islam, Budhism, Taosim, etc) than can be found in Scientology (which, given by its name and what I've read about them, holds proof through scientific fact as essential). Did you know that Scientologists claim the universe to be nearly twice as old as has been concluded by physicists (to within 1% error). How does scientology justify this grand error between the two when they hold scientific fact and analysis so highly. That's quite an exquist self contradiction going on there. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6278 days |
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| Ostara Publications is a subdivision of Storm Front. Which is a racial hate organization. It's not about white "history" it is about white glorification at the expense of subtle villification of other peoples.
As for Mediaeval art. That is only somewhat true. There are still many depictions of other things. Bayeux tapestry for instance...The paintings dedicated to the Poem of my Cid...Stuff like that. |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by Young GuruWell, Christians who say that are just plain silly. The Romans killed Jesus, and they were pagan, not Jewish. Perhaps Jewish leaders had some role in it, but that role would be indirect at best and would not necessarily reflect the feelings of the greater Jewish populace. |
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Young Guru Snifit Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6285 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Yes, it is crazy to blame jewish people for the death of jesus which is why I used that as an example. But to be historically correct, there were a good amount of jewish people responsible for his death, but that is simply due to the fact that the area that he was in was highly populated by jewish people. | |||
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by Young GuruGuess it depends how you define "responsible." If we're talking the people who literally lashed him to the cross, stabbed him with a spear, flogged him, etc...it was the Romans. If we're talking about the people who came together as an angry mob and coerced Pilate into releasing Barabas and executing Jesus...it might've been the Jews. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6278 days Last view: 6278 days |
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Originally posted by Crayola I cannot believe nobody realized this before. Originally posted by Crayola Christianity is not based on new age anti-semitic (Hope I spelled that right) cult ideals, perhaps? (edited by Rom Manic on 12-12-06 04:49 PM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| The differences between the two are basically differences of degree, not type, but they're definitely there. | |||
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6346 days Last view: 6309 days |
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Originally posted by Plus Sign Abomination Ha-ha Oh I see the title now MARCH OF THE TITANS, I thought it was just the web site name that threw everyone off, regardless I made a lapse in judgment, as I said it was very late I was just searching for a source that might contain information on the catholic church, although that site "I see now" is a white supremacy group they did have information on the catholic church. I am sorry for making the mistake http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeburn,_Virginia (Over 95% of my town are white "almost all racists", 90% are Christians [not referring to what you or anyone else on this site would consider real Christians.] “There are rally meetings that take place not 2 minuets away from my house no joke right down the road”, I am none of these things how do you think I feel? XD) Four months ago (more or less) I had my life threatened. Why? A person added me to ICQ, they asked if I like black people, I said I hate everyone equally. He asked if I liked black jokes, I said I like any joke if it is funny. Basically he told me the worst joke I have ever heard there was not punch line he just made it up at random, he asked for my Myspace url I gave it to him, he said I would be perfect to join his club. What club is that? I inquired. He sent me a link to a Nazi socialist party of America telling me I would be perfect to join, “he was referring to my skin, eye, and hair color. Which is tan, green, and dark brown not exactly Nazi material” I didn’t ridicule him just yet…. I read the site I read a good bit of it and it is honestly hilarious the type of people who get behind these clubs, their beliefs involved the most ridiculous “solutions” to getting rid of “the plague on white America” as they put it. Basically they made an attempt to make segregation look like a good thing. First off I told the boy or man, whoever it was that they were stupid to think any race was better than another, he got upset… I ridiculed him for upholding such beliefs, I said name one reason I should hate any race over another?….He could not answer….He instead insisted that if I didn’t join his “club” that “something” would happen to me. I said ooo and began to mock Nazis and the kkk. I told him that I do not fear death and that I am not white enough to even be a Nazi, he told me to leave him alone, curious now as to what would provoke him to think he is better than anyone I asked a string of questions…no answer only a reply, if you don’t leave me alone your dead. I said that I do not fear death and this chain continued, the boy began to recite my name and town (which I had not given him and wasn’t on ICQ), this honestly scared the shit out of me yet I continued to try and get an answer out of him, I received no answers only threats this process continued for quite a while before he blocked me on ICQ. I was using a key spammer on him the whole time after he stopped responding / before he blocked me. This whole story was paraphrased from what little I remember and is just one example of my day to day life in defending what I believe. However it does not have anything to do with the topic of Scientology Vs. Religion. But I have never written it down until now, and thought others might enjoy it since I made myself look like a white supremacist yesterday. Sorry plus sign and others =) Realize when I am an asshole on this site it is merely out of hate of my home town, the people who inhabit this place upset me daily Pill-heads, Racists, People who believe every single word of the bible and Whores the list goes on an on , I tend to take that agression out on others. Don't let this stop the debating though that is what we came for right? (edited by Crayola on 12-13-06 12:51 AM) |
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