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l0rca              Since: 07-23-06 Last post: 6376 days Last view: 6318 days |
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Originally posted by Ailure I never seen Alpha Centauri. But I think for the most part, the PETA video is not a very skewed movie, so far as propaganda goes. The narrator does request at the end for the viewer to try and become a vegetarian, but that's about it. I agree that PETA's principles and actions are also unethical, but that wasn't what I was pining for in this thread. I did not specifically state a point in this thread. I was hoping the more intelligent members of this board would draw my same conclusion and reply with it here, simply for discussion's sake, and hopefully to help spread empathy and knowledge of the unethical slaughter of animals for food. Skreename did a fine job in my opinion. But despite, I think the point was indeed lost in this thread. Some of the posts here were negatively reactionary and dismissive. I don't know if this is because some of the repliers in this post did not entertain the video, or because their principles and judgment override any sympathy. I do not think that anyone here is stupid enough to argue that we should strive to make an animal's wildlife survival more humane in terms of predator and prey, but it seems in this post that other posters do believe there are some here who are stupid enough to believe this, and took to arguing against that. PETA itself, insofar as I know, is not trying to save animals in the wild from their predators for the lone sake of their horrible deaths. In a measurement of harshness, a death in the wild does not equate to the deaths in the video. These animals are not caught after living a duration of their lives and killed. They are bred, many genetically, and live lives of incredible suffering, and deaths of horror; in my opinion, a horror greater than that of a predator's. Personally, I would prefer to have one day, after living my life until now, 21 years, find myself in the Sahara, being mawed and eaten alive by lions, than to find myself born one day, genetically altered to be horribly fat, live amongst the decaying smell of my brethren, have my penis removed with with a clamp and shears, transported one day through the cold, and held by rope downside-up as a dull, blood stained blade tears through my sides, avulsing my cheeks, thighs, stomach, until the hemorrhaging sends me into a terrifying, self-isolated near-death experience until my brain has finally completed the last of its semi-conscious chemical reactions, and I die drizzling blood. It does not take my ability to do math or reason, or appreciate the sunset to by terror go insane, or to experience a life of pain. Animals die every day, and PETA kills animals. Yet I still find this a fantastic alternative to what I have described. I'm not arguing for PETA, and it is a consequence, not a pride, that it is a PETA video, and not a more reasonable institution whose rights are of the video. Nevertheless, it carries a strong message. (edited by l0rca on 12-01-06 06:14 AM) (edited by l0rca on 12-01-06 06:16 AM) |
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Metal Man88 Gold axe It appears we have been transported to a time in which everything is on fire!    Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by l0rca The fact that it has the PETA name anywhere on it automatically associates it with the anti-human beliefs they have. If it was made by someone else, perhaps, closer to Morgan Spurlock than the ELFs and other maniacs, then yes, I would say it was unbiased. Originally posted by l0rca Then don't link a video made by them. I think there's at least one non-PETA made video of the same disgusting stuff, which shows it for informational, unbiased use rather than gross-out mentality followed by "become Vegetarian." Furthermore, not agreeing with you does not make me dumb; I would rather say it is naive to think the intelligent members of this board would see it and automatically agree with you. If anything, I'd expect them to disagree, as the more intelligent one is, the more likely they are to either find problems with your argument or want to refine it from a generic video and statement. I had an entire Engliash 1A class that focused on the unethical nature of food production, and fully agree it can be barbaric at times, including to the humans involved. That said, I feel the usage of such footage extreme. Originally posted by l0rca Your original post was too vague and your use of PETA caused a backlash against them. PETA is worse than nothing; bring them up and you'll get anti-ethics speeches sooner or later. That said, I have plenty of sympathy for animals, but I don't think it's ethical to try to trick people into supporting them with disgusting videos. They should be given a more neutral medium. Originally posted by l0rca No, PETA is killing puppies and kittens and supporting terrorists, who kill humans. Furthermore, your vague post lead some people to that conclusion; if anything is lacking effort, it was your first post, not the people trying to make sense of it. Originally posted by l0rca Animals are not humans. They'd make tools, a language, technology, and eventually begin attacking us instead if they posessed the faculties you speak of. Furthermore, you are basing this on emotional stuff. People are starving, man; without that, many people would die. Do you, equally, feel we should treat the animals with utmost respect, while causing the price of meat to go up to the point that humans begin to die agonizing deaths of starvation? And what about the plants? I wouldn't want to be fed steroids and chopped up after they were done with me, would you? Heck, they do even worse genetic stuff with them--and often torture them in experiments! Not to mention the ones we step on, make clothes out of, etc etc. Originally posted by l0rca The first sentence is such a confusing maelstorm of misplaced fragments I cannot make sense out of it. And what are you arguing for? Generic ethics? I can't tell if you want a little, or a lot. But the video sets the tone for broad and extreme changes which would harm humankind as a whole. I have no intent to harm you, but I disagree with everything you said. |
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Sin Dogan   860  Uoodo Original Blend Armored Trooper Votoms Canned Coffee!  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| Yea but the whole mentality behind the meat processing is not only severe and needless cruelty to animals but it is about hording all the food for one country. While in other countries the life expectency is going down due to famine and disease among other things, the life expectency in the US is predicted to be lower in our generation BECAUSE of all these goddamned processed foods and shit.
I get my meat from a butcher. Vyper, you ARE wrong. How is it more painful to be killed by a lion or something than starving to death in your own feces because your legs broke due to your obesity after getting your eyes clawed out by a chicken stacked on top of you? We already had this conversation before. |
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Metal Man88 Gold axe It appears we have been transported to a time in which everything is on fire! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Sin Dogan It is too bad that very food has so many grips on the society; heck, it helped ensure the creation and further life of many a person. Unfortunately, the majority appears to like this processed food... or wait! Perhaps we can let those who voluntarily partake of it die from their choices, allowing those who don't to outlive them and eventually end the reign of processed foods. Either way, I agree with the bit on needless cruelty and find the self-destruction aspect of it an interesting insight. Originally posted by Sin Dogan Yes, mostly. Again, the methods of producing food are inefficient and disgusting, and indeed, needs to be changed, but the aesthetics of it aren't going to change it; if one truly wants change, I hypothesize that the target should be the trusts which make the meat, and the people who control it, like McDonalds. Kill them and the rest of the disgusting, corrupt, money-grubbing evil is likely to die. But we need another trust-busting president for that to happen... Still, your position makes more sense than l0rca's. |
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Cruel Justice I have better things to do. Since: 11-18-05 From: At my house! Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Actually, PETA kills the orphaned animals they take in. That's just ONE of their evil little secrets. | |||
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Alright. That's been mentioned many times in this thread.
So how does that justify what OTHER people do to animals? |
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Cruel Justice I have better things to do. Since: 11-18-05 From: At my house! Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| All it really proves is that PETA is a lost cause... I could understand the slaughter of cattle being considered legitimate and I sure as hell know the difference between chicken and parakeets. Humans have been eating animals since the dawn of time and this shouldn't come to any shock. Farmers raise their animals from cradle to coffin for one purpose... meat production. Sticking to actual facts instead of fantasizing about humans consuming eachother through some fictitious cloning cherade as an analogy seems to be difficult to accomplish by pions from PETA. I doubt that any amount of debating against eating cows will collectively change man's original obnivorous eating habits as a whole. They may as well tell carnivorous animals not to eat meat. It's just wrong.
Another thing... if humans weren't meant to consume other animals, why have we been doing it for several thousand years? It's natural selection, humans created technology to make this more efficient. Unless you ARE in fact a cow, you shouldn't have a problem with it. If your motive is to preserve animals such as pigs and cows, make your own farm and tell everyone to get the fuck out; otherwise, shut up and eat your fucking meatloaf! The funny thing is, I think the animals getting slaughtered have more purpose in life than those mongoloids trying to preserve everything. When those morons die after failing a meaningless protest, they are left in the ground to rot like everyone else without accomplishing anything and usually get pissed on afterwards; Blatent Failure. The animals getting slaughtered are there to get fat and sell as poultry without any knowledge of what's going on in the world. Ignorance is bliss! When they die, they're useful... they serve a valid purpose that has been repeated more times than you have had hot meals... become someone's dinner. Honestly, I am thankful the cows exist and I hope they go to a better place. (edited by Cruel Justice on 12-06-06 10:24 AM) (edited by Cruel Justice on 12-06-06 10:32 AM) |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES  Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Cruel Justice I have better things to do. Since: 11-18-05 From: At my house! Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Depending on what part of the globe you come from, animals are going to be treated differently, it's CULTURE. We identify which animals are appropriate to become our pets and we take care of them, NOT because PETA told us so. Why? It's old news...
After identifying which animals are considered pets (namely the animals in pet stores), we can call foul play against anyone caught abusing them. Most animals are not doomed to fall victim under the human's diet. I still don't understand why people complicate such a simple fact.  |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| But you're completely ignoring my question. Most people, like myself, are going to keep their companion animals as if they were a person.
Now, WHY do we continue to abuse animals en masse in the industrial farms? Why do we allow this to happen? That is my question. How do you justify what those people do? Stick to the actual facts about the question I asked |
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Metal Man88 Gold axe It appears we have been transported to a time in which everything is on fire! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Cruel Justice Humans are animals too. By that logic, if I got out a gun, aimed at you, and announced my intents to eat your flesh, you'd have to let me kill you and eat you. And not only that, but you'd be supposed to go "Shut up and eat my #*@&ing flesh, you veggie-lover!" Furthermore, it would be legal for me to use technology to make you more delicious (ick) and modify stuff just like anything else. Furthermore, natural selection indicates nature selects it; so when a cow is eaten by a mountain lion, sure, that's natural. Do you think factories creating and killing genetically altered animals like a machine is natural, my confused friend? Originally posted by Cruel Justice Ironically, despite your seemingly pro-human stance, you appear to believe dying to become food is the highest cause in the universe. And thus, that all the animals that die for it are better than us humans, who are not eaten when we are dead, except if for some reason our bodies aren't buried. So, again, Mr. Cruel Justice, it appears you would gladly die to be on somebody's dinner plate rather than believe anything else. I suggest you go to some far out place, then; only then can you meet up with your savior, the cannibal. :p Originally posted by Cruel Justice It's old news that cannibals eat people, Cruel Justice. It's a CULTURE. Like you so excellently point out, people should eat one another because it's a norm in their past culture. Originally posted by Cruel Justice Ah! Now you say we should enslave other animals. Humans, also being animals, must therefore also be enslaved by your questionable logic, but that, thankfully, most of them won't be eaten because of that. And you don't understand why it's so complicated? I guess not. Your argument has been very persuasive, Cruel Justice. Now get in my stove! (/Satire) (edited by Metal Man88 on 12-06-06 12:55 PM) |
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Cruel Justice I have better things to do. Since: 11-18-05 From: At my house! Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Metal Man88 "Sticking to actual facts instead of fantasizing about humans consuming eachother through some fictitious cloning cherade as an analogy seems to be difficult to accomplish by pions ..." No, humans being the most successful species with the ability to create such machines is. Welcome to the present day, Metalman88. Originally posted by MetalMan88 EXACTLY!!! It makes much more sense to have a cause than to just simply rot away as useless compost. Originally posted by MetalMan88 For the most part, yes. If you live in a country where it's normal to eat eachother, so be it! India shuns the killing of cows but America doesn't. Most Americans see cows as just meat. How hard is that to calculate? Originally posted by MetalMan88 WE as in whom? What the hell are you piffling about? I was clearly talking about the ones in cages and tanks in petshops, where in this thread did I EXPLICITLY say there were humans in pet stores that must also be enslaved!? 
I do give credit for that assumption but that particular bit didn't hit my point at all. To narrow things down... Humans (as in hairless apes with no tails walking around in clothes, driving cars, etc...) kill cattle (as in poultry animals; cows, pigs, goats, lambs, chickens) for food (as in the stuff you put in your mouth, chew up, and swallow to nourish our bodies with protein). Other animals (excluding humans and poultry animals)in america are pets or in the wild. We don't mean to harm our own pets or endangered wildlife. |
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Alastor Fearless Moderator Hero  Since: 11-17-05 From: An apartment by DigiPen, Redmond, Washington Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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You know, I can't recall having ever heard a more patently offensive argument than the one going on right now. Why the hell is it in Gen Chat? |
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Metal Man88 Gold axe It appears we have been transported to a time in which everything is on fire! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| PETA did it! I just know it!
...l0rca posted it here, and his original post was the most offensive. I'd say it'd deserve a move, but it seems to degenerate into argumentation over small portions of other people's sentences at this point.  |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| This thread's getting pretty bad. End of discussion. |
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