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What do you think of them?| Should be implemented nationwide |
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0.0%, 0 vote | Should be allowed, but not nationwide |
28.6%, 6 votes | Should be disallowed completely |
71.4%, 15 votes | Ambivalent/Not sure |
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Dr_Death16   970                    Since: 05-07-06 From: Iowa Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| This really got me thinking earlier today, in a rhetoric class. A kid made a speech pertaining to these same-sex classrooms and suggested it be used in all public schools. His support was really lame; his best assertion was that males were "distracted" by women in class and vice versa. However, there are other things to consider... teaching methods could be made more specific to each gender, maybe allowing a little more interest in class; but there are obviously things that could be foreseen as bad coming from this (gender inequality for one). So, what does everyone think?
I myself vote to allow it, but I do not support it in public schools nationwide. I wouldn't want my boy or girl growing up in a school whereas the students he or she sees are not a real representation of the world outside school. I think it's important to experience both genders early in life, and often, to help communication skills and whatnot. |
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Glyphodon Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6301 days |
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This is utter crap. What possible good could come from teaching boys differently from girls?
Originally posted by Dr_Death16 Ha, as if most kids don't find ways to distract themselves with members of their own sex. Originally posted by Dr_Death16 So, what, boys get sports themed classes and girls get...what was it again? Hell, those stereotypes are so outdated and absurd I can't even remember how they go anymore. My point is that interests do not fall on sexes. You can play on what boys and girls statistically like, but that's just furthering gender roles. (edited by Glyph Phoenix on 11-29-06 07:18 PM) (edited by Glyph Phoenix on 11-29-06 07:19 PM) |
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drjayphd Torosu OW! BURNY!  Since: 11-18-05 From: CT Last post: 6282 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Point of order: by "disallowed completely", does that extend to abolishing single-sex private schools? If so, then that's the only environment where I'd support it, but the whole idea is pure crap. | |||
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Dr_Death16 970 Since: 05-07-06 From: Iowa Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by drjayphdYes, and that's the only reason I'd support it as well. I believe private schools should be allowed to do what they wish, only because the kids going there aren't being forced; they could attend a public school with regular classrooms if the parents so choose. |
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ibz10g Spiny Since: 08-10-06 From: Altoona, Iowa Last post: 6324 days Last view: 6324 days |
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| Personally, I'd be against it. There is not reason why boys and girls should get a different education. No good can come out of it.
What bothers me though is how with thoughts like this, people automatically think sexism, when whoever proposed this was probably just in for the best general interest for the education of kids at these ages. |
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Lakithunder Darknut  Since: 09-18-06 From: The Wind Fish's Dream Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| If I could login, I would say HELL NO! This is completely sexist. All people should be included in learning. Single-gender campuses are ok, I guess, but classrooms other than that....no, no, no. | |||
Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| When I first moved to Sydney I was really surprised to discover that a lot of public schools are divided into Girls and Boys schools. They're usually right next to each other, but the concept still seriously wierds me out, especially in the public system. | |||
Crashman Grizzo  Since: 12-26-05 From: Maine Last post: 6316 days Last view: 6316 days |
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| I was going to be a teacher (its a long story) and I find that mixed-sex class rooms can work either way, depending on the mix of students and the teachers involved. A good teacher can make it balance out and get the girls to respond as well if not better than the boys (I've seen it in action).
I feel that single sex class rooms would only reinforce the stereo types. I believe that women are the equal of men, and should be treated that way. Anything else smacks of special treatment. |
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MathOnNapkins 1100  In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| The debate centers around the notion that the different sexes respond differently to the same teaching methods. So if you could separate them and teach them using different methodologies perhaps the outcome might be better overall. But there are also people who say that women are physically built to just stay in the kitchen and even if there's truth to it does it justify it? [i.e. would it justify forcing women to work in the kitchen exclusively]
I think some of you are misunderstanding the meaning of "interest" in this context. The meaning here is that if you have a class of all girls who generally respond to teaching method Y, then they will be more interested in that subject. Similarly, a class covering the same content, but taught with teaching method X will keep boys interested in the subject. Has nothing to do with teaching footballology or sewingology. (edited by MathOnNapkins on 11-30-06 03:42 AM) |
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Glyphodon Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| How, exactly, can you tell what method is going to work on a child simply by gender?
This is an interesting article. My opinion falls in with the ACLU spokesman. Separation due to unchangeable body features is bad no matter how you spin it. The picture they paint of girls forced to sit politely in a classroom with easy listening music while the boys can just do whatever scares the hell out of me. |
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MathOnNapkins 1100 In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| I suppose you somehow ignored the part where the teachers think the separation seems to make teaching easier and keep their students more focused. Listen to the ACLU, not the teachers... right. I don't see how it's a fundamental right to have class with a person of the opposite sex.
Though I will admit that it is worrying that the boys classroom has no discipline. They need to lay down the law, unless we're both misreading the article. Perhaps they meant there are more interactive displays in the classroom, that the students can walk around to and observe. |
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Metal Man88 Gold axe It appears we have been transported to a time in which everything is on fire! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Thomas More disagrees. And he's got an entire work of literature to back himself up.
*Hurls a book at the idea* Like so many other ideas that are sexist, this one deserves to die too. |
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by MathOnNapkins I'll put it this way. When I hear a teacher saying it makes teaching easier, my experience tells me not that it's a good idea, but that some teachers just found an easier way to be lazy. The description of the boys' classroom reinforces that opinion. That may be due to me going to crappy schools, however. |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Personally I'd be pissed if I was put into the boys classroom.
I'd naturally be just as pissed if I was asked to sit still and listen to easy listening music. If you want to appeal to students, you're going to have to think about the kids who just want to get their damn work done and get out of there, but no one thinks of us. =( |
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skrenename1337 Hammer Since: 11-20-06 Last post: 6341 days Last view: 6341 days |
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On the subject of same-sex classrooms, it doesn't work. I'm in an all-male programming class (coincidentally NOT same-sex, but no girls decided to sign up, so it's a total sausage-fest) and half the class is failing. It's proof that there's absolutely no merit to implementing any sort of gender-discriminatory classes. |
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Silvershield 580  Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by skrenename1337No, it's proof that the class is hard, or that the students are not qualified for that level of work. Any "proof" that same-sex classrooms are ineffective, at least in your scenario, is purely circumstantial. That said, I can see both sides and I really have trouble placing myself firmly on either. On one hand, private schools have had single-sex classrooms for years, and they're touted as America's best secondary schools. Conversely, removing gender socialization from children at a young age, or even through adolescence, might certainly be counterintuitive as far as providing a "realistic," real-world environment. After all, if the purpose of education is to prepare a student for a hypothetical real-world application, why not simulate that hypothetical as fully as possible and include the need for socializing with the opposite sex? There is some research that suggests males and females learn best in different ways and within different environments, so that's not necessarily in question, but you must first ask whether those advantages are as strong as the disadvantages imposed by a child receiving, essentially, only half of the "picture" as far as his future real-world relationships. You can't expect every student to be hanging out with the opposite sex outside of school, so school is sometimes the only place that a male will be consistently exposed to a female, and vice versa. |
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ThunderSpeed Micro-Goomba  Since: 04-22-06 From: Rochester New York Last post: 6340 days Last view: 6340 days |
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| Personally I'm against same-sex classrooms, cause I can't focus when I'm in a class full of guys. I need at least 3 or 4 girls in a room in order to think straight. I was in an all boy school for about a month and I felt very uncomfortable cause some of the guys started hitting on me. =P
I'm completely against it anyways. Even same-sex schools I'm against. |
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Danielle 6730 Administratorrrr HELLO THERE   Since: 11-17-05 From: California Rate me ^_^ Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6279 days |
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I've been in coed classes since I was in pre-school, and it's never caused a problem for me. It's part of life... interracting with both boys and girls. There's no reason to separate by gender. I've never been unable to focus because of some "hot guy" (or hot girl in my case, but that's not the point), and I haven't seen that situation be a problem at my school, either. If teachers can't teach something to their students, both boys and girls, perhaps they should look for a new career. |
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Vyper Kodondo Raging Venom  Since: 11-18-05 From: Final Fantasy Fire Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| You want it? Go to a private school.
Problem solved. |
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