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Silvershield   580                    Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6292 days Last view: 6280 days |
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Originally posted by DanielleIf a girl is tan from going to the beach, that's one thing. It won't make me think she's any more attractive than if she were tan through artificial means, but I would at least think she's less vain. It's girls who are somehow tan in the middle of January that bother me. Because they're obviously going out and paying money just so they can get that disgusting orange color. Originally posted by DanielleAre you talking about a complexion that results from mixed ethnicity? Because yesterday, when I was at the induction ceremony for an English honors society, one of the requirements was for each inductee to read a short selection or poem for the audience, and one girl read a poem she wrote about being of mixed heritage. Prior to that, I just couldn't tell what her background was, but I thought she was stunning, but when she read it I immediately understood. Somehow the combination tends to yield good results  . |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.   Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| I disagree, makeup can actually be very sexy.
It just depends on when. |
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Danielle  6730 Administratorrrr HELLO THERE   Since: 11-17-05 From: California Rate me ^_^ Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by Silvershield Ah, well it's different where I live. People go to the beach and tan pretty much all year round, because the weather permits it.  And I don't understand why, but oh well. To each his own. Sure it's still a tan, but it's not quite as sexy as skin that is naturally that beautiful.
Originally posted by Silvershield That's exactly what I'm talking about. And it doesn't necessarily have to be a mix of african american and caucasian (although that is very pretty <3), it can be anything. If the different ethnicities produce a natural color to the skin, chances are I'm going to love it. Don't ask me why, I just do. |
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Rydain Sir Kibble Blaze Phoenix Runs with the Dragon Within  Since: 11-18-05 From: State College, PA Last post: 6284 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| I don't understand the appeal of that lovely Oompa Loompa shade of orange, either. It just looks silly. There are people whose skin turns a natural-looking shade of color when they tan, and then there are those who just look ridiculous. I especially don't understand the appeal of destroying your skin and increasing your skin cancer risk with heavy year-round UV exposure. Most wrinkles are due to a lifetime of sun damage, not from natural aging. People do get exp I'm naturally pasty, and I've been staying that way for years ever since I found out about exactly what the sun does to your skin. If I ever wanted to tan that badly, I'd go get that sunless spray-on stuff. |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| I'm already very tanned, and only going to get more tanned. But I never go to tanning places -- tanning is part of being a Surf Lifesaver. All that time on the beach, ensuring the place is safe for swimmers and whatnot.... and you get a tan.
At least once you have a tan you don't get burned easily. I kinda like my tan (provided I don't go too dark). It beats the hell out of peeling sunburn skin 
When winter comes around, I alternate back to my glow-in-the-dark geek state of super white. Nobody goes to the beach in summer for swimming so there's no need for Surf Lifesavers to be out there. I dunno anyone who goes "orange" though, just brown.  And I find that attractive. Although there was that one guy who tanned so much he went really really dark, and that was just... icky.... |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6281 days |
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| I think the mere fact that we're all obsessed by looks speaks volumes of the effects of the influence of our instant-judgement visually-oriented culture over us all. Media influence is far more pervasive and diffuse than just "people wanting to look like supermodels". We're saturated with images and ideas of every concievable facet of our lives, every day. It's not any one image or idea, it's the sum total of what we absorb from all sources, the sum total of our cultural space ("the media" is merely one HUGE part of those sources and therefore often a cypher for the totality of our socio-cultural environmnet's influences over us). It is a major part of our formative years. They get us while we're young, and we grow up at least partially dependant on these shared norms to help define Ourself, and to teach us how to live in the world around you, how to interact with other people.
Just as in previous epochs the folk stories and popular culture of the day helped set the assumed norms and conventions of those past society, so to does our media do it to us. They ARE our folk stories, our cultural touchstones, our sources of ideas and values and beliefs. Anyone who claims the media isn't influencing how we think and feel simply isn't paying attention. However, the concepts we're being sold are FAR more complex and diffuse and omnipresent than merely "looking like supermodels and Calvin Klein ads". The media's much more multidomensional than that, those ideas are just the tip of the iceberg. We're being sold ideas not just about how to look (and we're even being sold several different models of "how to look" -- consider, say, Natlie Portman and Zooey Deschanel versus your average supermodel or something), but also things like how to act, how to talk, what being masculine is, what being feminine is, what being a friend is, what being a family is, what being successful is, etc. Even when we don't conform to these ideas exactly, we're still defining ourselves against these norms and against these pressures in our rebellion... and we still assume others think more or less in the manners presented to us by mass-culture. Transcending one's cultural norms is very very difficult. For women, since that's the subject of the thread, it's not just "look like a supermodel" being sold to them. It's a whole gamut of values and behaviours and norms. "Be attractive to men" and it's "act like this" and "do these beauty routines" and "be submissive" and "get a career/get a family" and countless others (that last one's hilarious in its skitzophrenia, since we've arrived at the sort of angsty post-feminism which isn't sure what women should be doing, but is sure it's not what they're doing now). So in answer to your question, Taryn, men aren't all expecting you to be super-skinny, but they're probably expecting SOME look or value or behaviour from you. Just like you are of us. (edited by Arwon on 11-14-06 09:00 AM) |
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Kasumi-Astra Flurry Since: 11-18-05 From: Sheffield England Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Have you guys seen this?
It sums up pretty much how I feel about this subject, and how ridiculous concepts of beauty is in the modern world. Things need to be changed. |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| It's one thing to say unrealistic images in the media make people feel bad about their appearance, and pressured to look a certain way. It's different to claim that it actually causes anorexia nervosa. That's right up there with saying violent movies and games turn people into homicidal maniacs.
Anorexia is a complex psychological disorder that causes people to literally starve themselves to death. No otherwise mentally healthy individually in going to become anorexic just from seeing skinny people on TV and in magazines. |
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Rydain Sir Kibble Blaze Phoenix Runs with the Dragon Within Since: 11-18-05 From: State College, PA Last post: 6284 days Last view: 6280 days |
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Originally posted by emceeI agree. People develop eating disorders for various reasons that don't relate to unrealistic beauty images: to punish themselves, to literally try to disappear, to be able to exert control over something when they feel powerless. Mentally healthy people might get down on themselves because of unrealistic beauty images, but that's not the same thing. It's like how an average person can have a shitty day and flippantly say that their life sucks, but that's a far cry from being suicidally depressed. Plus, how you feel about yourself in comparison to unrealistic beauty images depends on your own concept of how you want to look. I've always thought that athletic, muscular bodies looked awesome, and I always wanted to look like that myself. I don't know why. I just did. It wasn't like I ever had those images shoved down my throat. My dad did have weight lifting magazines with pictures of Ms. Olympia contenders on stage, but I never wanted to be THAT huge or lean. (And without one in a zillion genetics and major steroidal supplementation, I never will be.) And to go off on a tangent, the weight training required to get lean and muscular improved my self-image by making me proud of what my body can do, not just what it looks like. Way back when I first got into weight training, I thought it would be cool to be able to do a chin-up. For a while, I could dangle uselessly from the bar and maybe budge an inch if I were lucky. The first time I hauled myself all the way up felt AWESOME, and it feels awesome to slowly and steadily add more reps over time. I've also come back from a time when, due to inflexibility and assorted disproportionate muscle weaknesses, pretty much every upper body exercise hurt, and I was in rehab mode for a couple of months. It's difficult to get down on my body when I remember how far I've come over the years. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6281 days |
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| There's actually another eating disorder called Orthorexia, it's relatively new. It's an obsession with eating healthy and being ultra fit and organic and so forth. It's a product of our times, every bit as annorexia.
It's also interesting how frequently self-harm and annorexia coincide, so much so that some think they're different manifestations of essentially the same problem. My own theory is that these disorders are driven by social and cultural pressures, that some people are just susceptable to them... but the precise form they take depends on the nature of the pressures faced. If we had different standards of beauty and behaviour, the disorders would be different, too. |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| Guys get the exact same treatment in magazines and in many tv ads as girls do.
The "perfect" man has a six pack and big pectotral muscles. He's also hairless (somehow) and has perfect teeth. I guess I'm just trying to point out that guys get it too, just not to the same degree as girls do. |
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Jomb Deddorokku  Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6282 days Last view: 6282 days |
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| "And I'm also curious as to things outside of weight alone people For example -- build (ie, athletic), shape (ie, pear) style/dress sense (ie, do you find a girl who shows off a lot of cleavage attractive, or offputting?) etc. Some women are really fussy about their skin... but I think freckles can be cute. And do guys even notice a girl's hair? C'mon people, there's more to this than just weight "
I prefer a woman with a slender build generally. Really muscular, like a man, is no good for me. But the shape is whats most important, particularly of the legs, tummy, ass, that whole area. A girl who shows off a lot of cleavage just comes off as cheap to me. I'd be worried I might catch something from her  I prefer her to have her own sense of style, something eccentric can get my interest. I really dislike the tanned look. I'm very attracted to very pale girls. If the girls skin is naturally dark that is fine, but sun-damaged skin is ugly to me. Hair is very important to me. I dont like her hair to be very short or butch (though pixie-type hair can be very attractive on some women). I'm a sucker for certain types of braids or pony-tails. I love dark hair, the blacker the better. I usually dont like blondes, but not always. Certain shades of blonde look really good on certain girls. Bleached blonde is repulsive. Dyed blue or pink is very cute sometimes if it goes with the girls style. I dont like tattoos on girls much, one or 2 cute ones is ok, but much more than that and she starts to look trashy. I love skirts or other types of garment which is very feminine, it does nothing for me when a girl wears men's clothing.
But even with all that, i have had crushes on girls before who did'nt even come close to this ideal, based on personality. Sometimes if a girl really seems to like me alot that boosts her attraction level to me, or if we have a lot in common or she is very adveturous and fun to be with then I'll become more attracted to her than her looks would normally warrant. I think the media image isn't there to be malicious or out of any agenda, I think its simple economics. If i put these sorts of people in my movie or advertisement, it sells, while if i put morbidly obese people in it it will not. Or imagine if they made a romantic comedy where the man had severe acne and yellow teeth and the woman was morbidly obese and had facial hair. It just would' nt sell. |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by Arwon Exactly. Society and media don't cause disorders, at most they determine the form they take. You can say, "see this girl became anorexic because of all the skinny women she sees in magazines", but we all see skinny women in magazines, and we're not all anorexic, so there's obviously more to it. Something about that girl made her become anorexic, whether it was physical or emotional abuse, or trauma, or even something genetic. That's the real cause. People with anorexia aren't obsessed with becoming thin. They already are thin, but refuse to accept it. The real issue is that they believe there is something wrong with them that must be fixed. If it wasn't weight, it would just be something else. |
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Cruel Justice I have better things to do. Since: 11-18-05 From: At my house! Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6280 days |
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Around 120-140lbs is okay but 110 and below is just disgusting. I like a slight softness, great shape and perky breasts as opposed to a cold, shivering skeleton clutching onto me. Look on the bright side Taryn, at least you could beat the crap outta skinnies.  |
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Squash Monster Bouncy Since: 11-18-05 From: Right next to myself. Last post: 6288 days Last view: 6281 days |
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| I find neither skinny girls nor chubby girls attractive at all. Girls who keep healthy and active flesh out with muscle, and it looks way better than both fat and bones.
When it comes down to it, different girls look better at different sizes. Some girls are really attractive thin, and some girls are better with some more curves to them. Girls who get their own body right are the most attractive. And quite luckilly, if you just eat healthy and exercise, your body will tend towards what looks best all on its own. And anybody who doesn't believe me can go check out the girls at a dojo. I recomend olympic style taekwondo or anything else competition oriented. (Girls who do any other sport tend to be pretty nice looking too, and so do dancers, but martial artists are my personal preference). |
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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| "Beach balls on a flagpole" is just as bad as "human wrecking ball". IMO it's not about numbers, it's about proportion. | |||
Cirvania Cyball I guess this is as close as Xkeeper will get to spell it right. :< Since: 11-17-05 From: The Island of Puerto Rico. Last post: 6282 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| My opinion in a nutshell:
<100 pounds = Not very interested as they're basically snap-in-half girls like Silvershield put it. 100-165 pounds = Ideal weight/body complexion. I like my women to have some meat, dammit. 165-210 pounds = Depends on shape. If she's curvy, muscular, or plushie, then I'd take her.
>210 pounds = Okay, maybe that's overdoing it. But still, I wouldn't turn a woman down just because of that. I look at the face before all, so  |
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D 2007 D Since: 02-19-06 Last post: 6327 days Last view: 6327 days |
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Originally posted by Kasumi-Astra Quite simply, disgusting. My thoughts on the matter echo others -- proportions. However, the media*'s image of super-skinny does not make me emit any feelings other than pity. *ominous |
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LizardKing Bullet Bill  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6283 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Hmmm. What defines an attractive girl? There is no one answer to this, really.
It would probably be easier to look at what characteristics an attractive girl shouldn't have. Eh, or maybe not. This is a complicated issue..
But atleast I can say that a general rule is that the girl shouldn't have to much body fat. Sorry, but that is the truth. Obviously, anorectic girls aren't attractive either.. And I can't say that I have seen many thin girls that I would call attractive.. (The number would be one, and it is probably only because of alcohol intake!) So yeah, in general, girls need some meat on their bones to be attractive, and they need curvature! I would say that important things are: -Curves (boobs is a part of this one) -Face -Hair (yes, actually, the hair is very important. Plus it also defines how you view the face.) Though, that list is kind of wrong anyway. I mean, it's the sum of all those. (If this post is of bad quality, it's probably because I am not feeling very good today. Actually, I feel like |
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Koneko Plasma Whisp  Since: 11-17-05 From: Tartarus. We get faster internet than you. Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| Although I'd love to be able to honestly say that personality is the only thing that matters to me, it's simply not the case. It's the most important thing, and it can overcome a large part of what someone's appearance is, but frankly if you're disgustingly thin / fat it's likely people won't be interested enough to find out more about your personality.
The one time I was in a serious relationship with a girl, neither of us was particularly impressed with the other's appearance. We were both smart, nice people who were into the same kinds of things (DDR, video games in general, computer science, writing music) and it worked out fine. So I guess I mean you don't have to be really worried about your appearance. My ideal of perfect beauty is mostly about kindness and intelligence. ...Maybe if you're lucky, someone out there has the same opinions about this as me. It could happen. |
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