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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES                    Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| SS, what?
So, you're willing to incarcarate people for potentially frivulous crimes...but you're not willing to spend the comparatively minisicule amount of money to fund a person to become a reintegrated person in society? That sounds sadistic to me. |
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Silvershield   580  Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6297 days |
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Originally posted by Plus Sign AbominationNo, I'm willing to contribute money to a criminal if he is somehow "paying" for it. That is, if he is serving his time in a prison, but not if he is being coddled and cared for without penalty and without any contribution of his own in a rehabilitation center. Or, if that all-expense-paid visit to a rehabilitation center precedes some sort of mandatory community service or other activity that allows the druggy to pay back the debt he has incurred. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| Everything I know of points to rehab to be a long and arduous process. Very few centres (except for the celeb ones that result in relapses) are coddling. I'd say that these are a positive social factor and rather worthy of receiving funding. | |||
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6297 days |
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Originally posted by Plus Sign AbominationThe are worthy of receiving funding if they impose some sort of requirement for a patient to contribute to the society that funded his rehabilitation. Let that addict go to a center for free, sure, but then make him do community service to reimburse the taxpayers. |
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Jilkon Cappy  Since: 11-27-05 From: Teh Sweden Last post: 6378 days Last view: 6327 days |
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| Smoking sux overall, so no. | |||
Aiya Poppy Bros. Jr Bah. >B( Since: 11-28-05 Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| I believe that in most rehabilitation centers, or whatever, community involvement is indeed strongly stressed. >> It's a .. technique, I suppose, that works rather well. By making the patient become involved in the community, they achieve a sense of self worth that is often an issue when someone becomes addicted to a substance. More often than not, substances are abused due to lack of self esteem or .. strength of character.
Don't take that the wrong way, please. I'm not suggesting that anyone who uses drugs is low on self esteem or whatever. I'm saying people who become severely addicted often are, but certainly not always. I'd rather fund people being rehabilitated and have them move on with their lives than have to suffer for the rest of their life over something as 'small' as possession of a drug like this. If someone commits a crime while under the influence of a drug, fine. But just for the use of it? Seems pretty ridiculous to me. (Not sure if that's actually the case. Meh.) I find it interesting how a question about whether or not you .. smoke up resulted in such a huge blow up by certain people. I think it's interesting to see how defensive people become over an issue like this, one way or the other. And in some cases, rather nasty. >>;; .. Yeah. Anyway. I've tried it. Mostly because there was so much hype about how horrible it is, and blahblahblah. I'd rather form my own opinions. I would never, ever consider making it a large part of my life, but I can see why people enjoy it. What I found is that while it's the common assumption that marijuana makes you a complete .. lump, it depends entirely on the person who consumes it, just like alcohol. You can concentrate just fine if you want to. Sure, it's more pleasant just to sit and enjoy it, but it isn't as though you can't function at all if you have too much, unlike alcohol and other many other drugs. I'd agree that large amounts of marijuana is less harmful than large doses of pain killers like tylenol or advil. Then again, I've never .. over consumed on either. So meh. I laugh at those anti-drug commercials now. Really, they're just so ridiculously wrong. There may be some people who react like that, but I'd have to say the vast majority.. don't. I always wondered why we were always told that it's awful and terrible and whatever, when I was seeing people at school all the time who were definitely high, but had no problems with school and whatever. Sure, there were an occasional few who didn't have any motivation to begin with and they didn't do well, but that's more to do with their personality in general. [Edit #2: Weed affects how you perceive things, not your ability to reason and such.] Basically, I think that, just like with everything else, small amounts of the stuff isn't a horrible thing. Over indulging in anything isn't good for you. And if alcohol and smoking can be legal, I don't see why marijuana isn't. Either of those other two have results that are decidedly more deadly. Keep in mind that I'm talking about individual use here. I'm not getting into issues with drug dealers and .. whatever. If it were legal, maybe there wouldn't be as many problems with such things. But ah well. Not like that's going to change here any time soon. Edit: Originally posted by SilvershieldGoing back and reading that.. well. I have to say that I know several people that use painkillers to get high. Just read the thread about getting your wisdom teeth removed. >>; So saying that they cannot produce a result like that.. is false. I don't mean to single that quote out, but there's just too much to read here. And most of it has been replied to anyway. :< But that made me chuckle a bit. (I'm also chuckling at the first line of that quote, considering. But anyway. >>) << (edited by Aiya on 11-14-06 09:14 PM) (edited by Aiya on 11-15-06 02:56 AM) |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6297 days |
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Originally posted by AiyaYou're not reading the whole discussion. We were referring quite clearly to OTC painkillers like Tylenol, Motrin, and Advil. Of course people use the prescription drugs like those that are prescribed after dental surgery in order to get high; I remember that, after my wisdom teeth were pulled, I ended up with a nearly full bottle of Percocet because I found that, for whatever reason, I was never in pain during the entire recovery and never needed to take more than one or two total. And people were beating down the doors trying to get me to sell them what I had left over. So, yeah, don't mistake what I was trying to say. |
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Aiya Poppy Bros. Jr Bah. >B( Since: 11-28-05 Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| You did say 'the like', sir. So perhaps not quite as clearly as you think. Other 'simple' drugs can cause some side effects like those of 'serious' prescription drugs.
And I did read the whole thread/discussion, thank you. I just didn't choose to comment on all of it individually. Maybe I should edit my post to say 'but there's too much to reply to here' instead of 'too much to read.' >> But saying here should suffice, I hope. Noone had said anything mentioning the side effects of other drugs that are usually taken for medicinal purposes, so I just thought I would. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| This argument has gone on a while now, and since there have been quite a few ignorant posts (Some good ones too, don't get me wrong) I'll point out some things for you to understand.
1) It's MANIC, not MANIAC. Though they might both have a generally same definition, they are different. 2) Weed does not make you hallucinate. You do not see things, feel things, or experience things (Other than what you normally would) that are extrasensory in ANY shape or form. If you do not know how Tetra Hydra Cannabinol (And the many other wonderful flavours of this plant) works on the human system, do not make this assumption. Weed, or THC in particular, induces a form of relaxation on the body by increasing the production of (Yes) Dopamine. Dopamine, to put it simply, slows down you body's functions. The counteracting chemical, Acetylcholine, does the opposite: It increases the motor functions of an individual (Again, in a nutshell). One counteracts the other, and you get your "High". Now, with all this body energy being consumed to counteract each other, the body struggles and sends a message to your brain for some reinforcements: FOOD. This is why most, if not all, stoners get the munchies when they smoke up. But there's a catch here. The body decides that if this is gonna keep going on, it's just gonna change the "Normal" balance of Dopamine and Acetylcholine to keep you functioning. It now takes more weed to get stoned, and is why sometimes you won't have the munchies when a little amount is smoked. It is also why Pot can become an addiction, but it's easy to get wiened off of. 3) Tylenol (Or a small concentration of Codeine) is, by all definitions, very much a drug. You cannot dispute it, and you cannot categorize it just because weed is illegal while Tylenol is over the counter (Technically that is a categorization, but if you must, let that be how you do it). Everything you absorb, smell, or ingest has an effect on your body and produces a reaction. Your body will try to use it as best it can, and excrete it. I don't mean to get people into drugs (It IS illegal) but I don't understand how you can be afraid of it if you can take a tylenol for your headache. It just so happens Weed increases my risk of bronchitis or emphesyma. I just prefer to smoke weed when I have a headache. Hell, it's fun as a recreational drug in the right doses. But as they say, to each their own. |
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Toxic 250 TOX4ADMIN  Since: 11-17-05 From: I'm keeping a list. Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Nice!
More power to them. |
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Randy53215 Melon Bug Since: 11-17-05 From: Greenfield, Wisconsin (U.S.A) Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Toxic Isnt Marijuana legal in Canada for everyone? Thats what I heard countless times before... |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Only unofficially. Go to BC, they don't know when the Frappucino buzz ends and when the weed buzz begins.
lol, frappucino. |
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Clockworkz Birdon Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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The second I saw SS posted here, I was just like "Aw, fuck. Not again." *sigh*
Originally posted by SilvershieldYou do realize that weed can't kill you, and other drugs will, right? Are you aware that it takes, literally, ten times your body weight in pot (inhaled in under an hour) to OD and die from it? Wherein crack, cocaine, heroin, PCP, meth, DXM, among others, requre MUCH less? That's the difference. I agree with toxic. My life is the same. I smoked up for the first time a while ago, and I'm still me, and I'm right as rain. So before you go off on another one of your tangents, start doing a little bit of hands-on research, as Snow Tomato suggested before you push your (mostly false) ideals upon everyone. |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6297 days |
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Originally posted by AiyaYeah, if I say "Tylenol, Motrin, Advil, and the like," I mean any drugs that resemble those three that were listed. So, you might go so far as to include Excedrin under the umbrella of "the like," but you can't include something several degrees stronger, like Percocet. Is it really that unclear? Originally posted by AiyaIf you read the whole discussion, you would have quickly noticed that I was hardly arguing against drugs in any way, shape, or form. My only remark was that the person who compared OTC pain medications directly to hard drugs was spouting absolute nonsense. Originally posted by LegionWhy, because you're happier with everyone sitting around and agreeing with one another rather than engaging in some sort of discussion with multiple sides to it? Originally posted by LegionWhen did I ever say a thing about weed? |
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Aiya Poppy Bros. Jr Bah. >B( Since: 11-28-05 Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| Considering that weed is what this thread is supposed to be about, it's not hard to make the assumption. >>
And actually, I was expanding slightly and thinking any simple drugs. (edited by Aiya on 11-15-06 03:19 AM) (edited by Aiya on 11-15-06 03:20 AM) |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6297 days |
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Originally posted by AiyaThe thread quickly developed into a discussion of all drugs, not just weed. In fact, I originally stepped in just to respond to a remark saying that all OTC drugs are somehow equivalent to any harder drug. The person I was responding to was no referring solely to marijuana. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Silvershield: You can feel free to categorize drugs as you wish, but a drug is a drug. A black man and white man are different, but there is no denying they are humans alike. They serve the same purpose, to grow and live and learn, and they inevitably die.
The only real categories I can think of are legal and illegal, I think. |
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Clockworkz Birdon Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I catagorize as "Natural" and "Unnatural"
Example: Marijuana and Shrooms are natural; they grow in nature. Crack, heroin, PCP et. al do not. I only do natural drugs. I know those won't kill me. |
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6303 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| I consider the comparison between "natural" and "unnatural" to be nonsensical at best. There are plenty of things that grow in nature that would gladly kill you, given the chance. Take, for instance, the ever-so-charming Amanita phalloides, which can kill humans if even 30 grams is ingested.
(Amanita phalloides, of course, being the death cap mushroom.) Either way, I don't use any drug recreationally. Closest would probably be my caffeine addiction. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6297 days |
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Originally posted by Skreename Closest? Try "is" |
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