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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - World Affairs/Debate - Looks like the Dems are winning |
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Blue Shoes Mini Octorok Rereg of some idiot                 Since: 10-12-06 From: Paradise, California Last post: 6379 days Last view: 6379 days |
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| So, do you think there will be any changes for the greater good or for the bad? Are the democrats going to make it a better America than what the Republicans did? What do you guys think? | |||
Shadic The Adventure of Link Perfect Member   Since: 11-18-05 From: Olympia, Washington Last post: 6286 days Last view: 6282 days |
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| They've won, it's over.
I am very glad... It's good to see the dirty tricks I've been hearing about didn't work for the Republicans. (Phone calls from Republicans pretending to be Democrats at all hours of the day/night.) |
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MathOnNapkins  1100  In SPC700 HELL  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by Shadic What's that now? |
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||bass Administrator  Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Maybe none of you are paying attention but ATM, the Democrats have only won the HOUSE. The SENATE is still up in the air.
All I have to say is this: 1: Democrats have a NARROW majority. 2: The President is still Bush, a Republican. 3: The Democrats to NOT have even CLOSE to enough votes to overturn a veto. 4: Bush will be damn sure to use his veto power to prevent the Democrats from making almost ANY changes. Add point 1, 2, 3, and 4 together and what to we get? 2 years of absolutely NOTHING happening. Everything is going to be deadlocks and vetoes, so get ready for no progress at all in ANY direction until at least 2008. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| Just like under Clinton? | |||
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Blue Shoes Mini Octorok Rereg of some idiot Since: 10-12-06 From: Paradise, California Last post: 6379 days Last view: 6379 days |
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Originally posted by Shadic Democrats also have done some dirty tricks... In some states they've changed where the voting was a day before the elections. Also, some of the machines "messed up" and were only letting the Democrat option be chosen. All in all, I'm wondering what changes the dems will make anyway. How will they affect our country. I hope our taxes won't go up, especially to go to some lazy people who won't work. Meh, if you can't beat'em join'em; I'll just be lazy too, and get paid for it... |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Looks like my prediction might turn out to be true... | |||
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Metal Man88 Gold axe It appears we have been transported to a time in which everything is on fire! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Seems like we'll be in for a long while of deadlocks, then. While the Dems have won, they'd have to win far more to actually resist a veto. Then again, many Republicans have wound up against Bush these days... | |||
n3g-Z3r0 theory Rat Since: 01-09-06 From: Augusta, Ks Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| In concordance to what ||bass was saying. The Democratic party, even if they get the Senate, Bush will veto any attempt to change what he is soo proud of and therefore the next 2 years will be a stand-off. So basically none of the things that Bush promised in his first inaugural speach will be taken into effect, his plan in the beginning...Even if the Democratic party doesn't get the senate nothing will happen in the next 2 years....Besides the fact that Bush has recently passed a bill about putting up fences and surveilance cameras in between Texas and Mexico. NOTHING has really significant has happened during this presidency run... | |||
geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| OR, instead of arguing over who gets the power and who gets to veto etc etc etc
why don't the parties work together and try to come up with programs that the majority of the moderates from each side can agree on.... or is cooperation too much to ask? |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite. Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Hahahaha, that was hilarious geeogree. You think politicians are rationale human beings... | |||
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n3g-Z3r0 theory Rat Since: 01-09-06 From: Augusta, Ks Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6298 days |
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The Prinny Comando has a point....I'm reminded of a recent episode of American Dad in which Stan Accepted Gays over Democrats because he learned that gays didn't have a choice and that they were born gay and that Democrats had a choice, thus making them the new "gay" to him...Rep. and Dem. will find anything to argue about and disagree with each other. It is practically like the civil war all over again only this time, Instead of South and North we have Democrats and Republicans....And a dictator with an i.q. less then the answer to existence...
answer hidden due to the fact you SHOULD know it...42 if you didn't know... |
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Dr_Death16  970 Since: 05-07-06 From: Iowa Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Don't forget, many of these noob Democrats getting elected in "gain" states are Conservative Democrats, they aren't all on the liberal side of every issue, so add that to what you have and although it's a divided government, it is not all that imposing a threat to the Republican party in the presidency or in congress.Originally posted by LegaultYou've got to be kidding... dictator...  |
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n3g-Z3r0 theory Rat Since: 01-09-06 From: Augusta, Ks Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6298 days |
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yes, yes a dictator  Well, maybe not a dictator, but that is his I.Q.  |
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||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by Dr_Death16Correct. A good example of this is one of the democratic candidates from Tennessee. He is pro-life, pro-gun, and anti-gay marriage. |
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Blue Shoes Mini Octorok Rereg of some idiot Since: 10-12-06 From: Paradise, California Last post: 6379 days Last view: 6379 days |
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Originally posted by Metal Man88 Because of Bush's attitude with the veto controversy. I think people are going to also vote democrat in the presidential election now. If hardly any changes are made, it'll because of our Republican president, and that'll make the people want the change even more come presidential election. |
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||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by Blue ShoesAlternatively, some people may ignore the narrow balance and veto situation and say "the dems had their chance and didn't deliver".Originally posted by Metal Man88 I know what you're thinking, and you'd be right. However, the way people think doesn't have to coincide with logic. |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| The trouble is the country isn't much farther left then they were 2 or 4 years ago. They weren't really voting for the Democrats so much as voting against the Republicans. So if the Democrats push too hard on liberal agendas, the voters will just reign them in in 2 years.
And 2 years isn't a whole lot to work with anyway. If the Democrats don't seriously turn things around in that time, as far as the war, the budget, and the economy goes all those problems will just be blamed on them in 2008. Then they'll lose the majority, and will have no chance at the presidency. And if we do pull out of Iraq, and it falls into civil war, or into the control of Iran backed militias, nobody's going to blame the people who started the problem in the first place, they'll blame the people who "pulled us out too soon" and "didn't finish the job". As if, if we had just stayed there a few more week we could have got it under control. "Just enough rope..." comes to mind. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| It looks like the Dems may have the Senate after all the recounts and legal shiftights die down.
I think that "they're all conservative anyway" seems to be a bit of Fox News/Republican spin to hide the depth and breadth of the swing against them. Sure, I've no doubt that there's a few conservative-ish Dems (I mean, they are supposed to have a supporter base amongst the working class "little guys" in places like Tennessee) but they're still more liberal than most Republicans and even the most conservative Dem elected will still vote for a Democrat speaker, Democrat committee leaders, and help ensure Democratic a legislation programme goes through as far as the white house. Here's a decent analysis of that whole thing As far as I'm aware, not a single house seat or senate seat, or governors mansion, went from D to R last night. People can spin it all they want but that is a major major rejection of the Republicans, like hell it's not a shift or a mandate for change. The crazy death-cultists Freepers are going MENTAL at Free Republic at the moment. The short version is the terrorists have won and it's the end of civilisation and the election was like a sequel to September 11. Also: Donald Rumsfeld resigned (I bet he was terrified of a few Democrat-dominated inquiries against him). Things are looking up already. (edited by Arwon on 11-08-06 07:14 PM) |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6294 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Actually, I am going to back up my point from earlier  . I was reading on CNN and there was an article linked there that said that more legislation (or at least an equal amount) goes through government during divided governments compared to when one party controls everything.
So it's actually very possible that both sides are going to find some common ground and work together to push the country forward. I think I prefer it this way. It means that nothing too conservative will get through the house (or possibly senate depending on how things turn out) and nothing too liberal will get past the president. I'd much rather see a moderate agenda coming out of the US than an extreme one either way. |
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