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Alkis









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Posted on 12-31-06 11:32 AM Link
I don't believe in God or his punishments, or Hell for that matter. Every crime should be punished in life. He should have been kept in torture one day for every person he unfairly killed, which means the rest of his life.
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Posted on 12-31-06 07:06 PM Link
Well, he isn't a martyr. Not even the Shia will make him that. However, the prevailing idea that his execution was a Shiite manouver and the revelations of people yelling at him on the gallow's table will only continue to exacerbate conditions on that sectarian front. This move is one of unbelievable ineptitude.
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Posted on 12-31-06 10:33 PM Link
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Remind me to slap you the next time I see you and then explain why you're wrong on quite a few levels.


Capital punishment just seems pointless to me. It doesn't do anything. It isn't punishment. They're to dead to notice that they're punished.
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Posted on 12-31-06 11:07 PM Link
Iraq has the death penalty. Saddam committed crimes that under Iraqi law warrant the death penalty. Therefor he was put to death.

I don't see what the big debate is here. Should they have made a special exemption just for him?
Alkis









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Posted on 12-31-06 11:36 PM Link
Yes. They should've tortured him in public.
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Posted on 12-31-06 11:36 PM Link
Well, given the political climate wherein the rule of law is not yet established it would be best to assert a policy of non-exacerbation instead of instantly sinking to do a poorly driven execution to smooth over relations with Kurds and Shia at the expense of a mighty pissed off Sunni minority. It also risks other political implications across the rest of the Sunni world. In sectarianist Iraq Saddam was hated. But he was a Sunni.

you don't drop the bomb just cuz' you got it

(edited by Ziff on 12-31-06 05:44 PM)
Alkis









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Posted on 01-01-07 06:52 AM Link
Hiroshima & Nagasaki. Enough said.
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Posted on 01-01-07 04:56 PM Link
Actually the idea with Hiroshima and Nagasaki was that they either dropped the bombs or continued into a war with probably more casualties.
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Posted on 01-01-07 04:57 PM Link
Yeah, turning something metaphorical into something literal sometimes isn't the smartest thing to do.

On the topic the NYTimes had some interesting insight into the issue here http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/01/world/middleeast/01sunnis.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

(edited by Ziff on 01-02-07 12:50 AM)
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Posted on 01-01-07 11:20 PM Link
Originally posted by Alkis
Yes. They should've tortured him in public.


No, because that's not the law.

Originally posted by Ziff
Well, given the political climate wherein the rule of law is not yet established it would be best to assert a policy of non-exacerbation instead of instantly sinking to do a poorly driven execution to smooth over relations with Kurds and Shia at the expense of a mighty pissed off Sunni minority. It also risks other political implications across the rest of the Sunni world. In sectarianist Iraq Saddam was hated. But he was a Sunni.

you don't drop the bomb just cuz' you got it


The rule of law may not be fully established, but the death penalty was reinstated over two years ago. Executing Saddam may be considered an attempt appease certain groups, and it may be, but its just carrying out Iraqi law. Making a special exemption just for Saddam, is circumventing Iraqi law, and would defiantly be just an attempt to appease Sunnis.
Alkis









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Posted on 01-02-07 12:52 AM Link
If torturing him in public is not the law, then it should be the law. Do they even have a working congress to make such a law?
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Since: 11-19-05
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Posted on 01-02-07 01:04 AM Link
Originally posted by Alkis
If torturing him in public is not the law, then it should be the law.
Why, so that the US could have been maligned and demonized for the act more than it already was?
Alkis









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Posted on 01-02-07 04:29 AM Link
Public torture is the single best way to drastically reduce crime.
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Posted on 01-02-07 06:51 AM Link
Originally posted by Alkis
Public torture is the single best way to drastically reduce crime.


Yes, if your country has hidden crime statistics. Otherwise, it doesn't do much.
Alkis









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Posted on 01-02-07 08:01 AM Link
Public torture is actually very effective. In Thailand, people found guilty of vandalism get whipped in public, and vandalism is almost nonexistent in thailand.
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Posted on 01-02-07 08:10 AM Link
Originally posted by Alkis
Public torture is actually very effective. In Thailand, people found guilty of vandalism get whipped in public, and vandalism is almost nonexistent in thailand.



Ummm, got some statistics on that? Last I checked canings were popular all across South East Asia. Many of those countries are host to a naughty bunch of young rapscallions.
Alkis









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Posted on 01-02-07 07:39 PM Link
Cannins is nothing compared to bare-back whipping, and they use barbed whips.
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Posted on 01-02-07 07:42 PM Link
Any statistics?

Other than your delightful romp through the pages of 120 Days of Sodom to get turned on?
Alkis









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Posted on 01-03-07 03:51 AM Link
What's that?
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Posted on 01-03-07 04:11 AM Link
A very famous book by Marquis de Sade.
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