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Posted on 10-28-06 01:36 AM Link | Quote
I'm not sure if this is the right place to put this. Sorry if it isn't.

I was talking to a friend from Japanese class today about Super Mario Sunshine, expressing my annoyance on the fact that you could only access one course (Pianta Village) at night and another one course (Sirena Beach) at sunset. The annoying thing being, of course, that you can see the other courses in the distance and would just love to explore them at night/sunset. But, according to my friend, there is a hack of Super Mario Sunshine that has screwed with the ROM enough to make it night in other courses, too. (Since I know next to zilch about hacking, I'm forced to guess that, should such a hack exist, that the people responsible for it switched the night polygon around with all the day polygons and also edited the palette to make it seem darker.)

So, my question is, does anyone know of this hack or where I can find it? I really want to find out more about it, since I much prefer night (and sunset) graphics over those hackneyed day ones.
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Posted on 10-28-06 02:01 AM Link | Quote
to my knowledge, there has been 0 GC hacks.

Either this is a GS/PAR/whatever code, or your friend is full of it.
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Posted on 10-28-06 02:09 AM Link | Quote
Also, the correct place for question belongs in the ROM Hacking section.
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Posted on 10-28-06 05:09 PM Link | Quote
*kicks over to rom hacking*
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Posted on 10-29-06 08:38 AM Link | Quote
Unless your friend worked on the SMS Project, i doubt he would be able to do so. As Awesome as it sounds.
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Posted on 10-29-06 09:36 AM Link | Quote
Calm down.
Yes, there's no GC hacks, but your friend probably has used a 'gameshark' code to 1) disable the game clipping (seriously, I could reach the bays by taking a forced path through the ocean) or 2) he changed the game 'time'. No clue, only guesses...
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Posted on 10-30-06 03:12 AM Link | Quote
GCN hacks would be feasible though, to an extent (obviously you won't start off recreating Mario 64 in SMS ); softmods exist now where you just plug in an SD adapter and boot disc images from a nifty flash card (aka, no hardware hacking to the GCN necessary). However, I doubt your friend did much more than an Action Replay code.
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Posted on 10-31-06 06:18 PM Link | Quote
It's totally possible to hack Gamecube games... you just need to know how to work with the formats used in the game, have a way to re-package the data, and the finally have a way to transfer the data to a GameCube.

For example, Lightning hacked Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door. A small sample of his work:



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Posted on 10-31-06 10:19 PM Link | Quote
You guys may not remember but there was a thread on Animal Crossing Hacking too.
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Posted on 11-02-06 09:56 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Zepper
Calm down.
Yes, there's no GC hacks, but your friend probably has used a 'gameshark' code to 1) disable the game clipping (seriously, I could reach the bays by taking a forced path through the ocean)


I would seriously love to know the code that you used to do this - Hopefully, the American version, right??? Also, Techokami, those screens of Paper Mario are freaking sweet!

Somebody once said in the Mario64 hacking forum that Sunshine is much easier to level-hack than Mario 64, because the GC games use an on-disk file system structure for the game levels. If the game content files (separate file formats for geometries, level data, textures, asm scripts, etc) could be extracted from ISOs, then IPS patches could be created on a per-file basis, then the file system could be recompiled back into an ISO.

Technically, if somebody did a fully blown hack for the entire game, provided that levels were made totally from scratch, a person could download the whole level with instructions on how to/ where to insert the level into the filesystem. In this way, de-compressed ROMS could also take up more than 1.5 Gigabytes and the game would be playable.

But for that to happen, somebody first has to write an emulator that can handle (a) iso files, (b) game discs, if said drive is actually capable of reading it, and (c) game data that has been extracted into directories. Broadband will have to expand to the extent that it is feasable to transfere files. So far, few people have even managed to create playable demos

Furthermore, sadly I believe, GC/ DS will mark the end to the hackers/ emulators riegn forever, b/c the Wii will support DRM, and I think all the data on liscensed games will be encrypted. If they really wanted to give the EMU/ hacking/ cheating community a headache, they could design future consoles such that it would refuse to read/ play any type of unencrypted/ decompressed/ unauthorized data. Any attempts at creating cheating, hacking, or otherwise GPL software for the system would then be in direct violation of software patents. This would also cripple any efforts at the emulation of future consoles, because reverse-assembly will be impossible without the original source files.

So scratch the idea from ye heads of playing "Super Demo World" on the Wii; as I doubt they will allow, hacks or devgames to happen.

Let's hopethat it never reaches this point, but sadly, I think it will - such is the future.

Thank you evil Sony/ Mocrosoft/ RIAA/ (yes, even Nintendo, too for that matter) etc for pushing to make this a reality - no offence meant towards Xbox/ Playstation fans, I am only referring to the policies these companies have taken, not the consoles.

I could ramble on more, but that will only make me late for my 8:00 Physics (yes, college 1st)


(edited by FreeDOS + on 11-02-06 06:03 PM)
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Posted on 11-02-06 02:13 PM Link | Quote
heh, those aren't mine, like I said in the post. They're made by Lightning.

Also, did you know that [ b ] (without spaces) is BBCode for < b > (bold text)? Yeah, since your post suddenly turns completely bold partway through. Even though ACMLMBoard can't properly process unclosed BBCode


(edited by Techokami on 11-02-06 01:13 PM)
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Posted on 11-02-06 04:04 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Zepper
Calm down.
Yes, there's no GC hacks, but your friend probably has used a 'gameshark' code to 1) disable the game clipping (seriously, I could reach the bays by taking a forced path through the ocean)

I have heard that through looking at some dumped models and such of SMS levels, and those far away stages are actually just low polygon tiny versions put far away and such. If you WERE able to go that far, it would have to load the other level as those back there are basically fake. I myself am curious about this sunset/night hack, I figured it was hardcoded into the game to change the lighting and BG of those stages, never figured it'd actually work on others with the right codes or file changes...


(edited by Someguy on 11-02-06 03:04 PM)
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Posted on 11-02-06 07:04 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by stardust4ever
Somebody once said in the Mario64 hacking forum that Sunshine is much easier to level-hack than Mario 64, because the GC games use an on-disk file system structure for the game levels. If the game content files (separate file formats for geometries, level data, textures, asm scripts, etc) could be extracted from ISOs, then IPS patches could be created on a per-file basis, then the file system could be recompiled back into an ISO.

Though the general idea is there, GameCube discs don't use any kind of ISO, it's Nintendo's own proprietary filesystem
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Posted on 11-02-06 08:30 PM Link | Quote
Notice that I could go near enough the bays (the stage you enter where you switch blue coins) before the clipping pushed me back to the beach... (Hotel Delfino)
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Posted on 11-02-06 09:26 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by stardust4ever
Furthermore, sadly I believe, GC/ DS will mark the end to the hackers/ emulators riegn forever, b/c the Wii will support DRM, and I think all the data on liscensed games will be encrypted. If they really wanted to give the EMU/ hacking/ cheating community a headache, they could design future consoles such that it would refuse to read/ play any type of unencrypted/ decompressed/ unauthorized data. Any attempts at creating cheating, hacking, or otherwise GPL software for the system would then be in direct violation of software patents. This would also cripple any efforts at the emulation of future consoles, because reverse-assembly will be impossible without the original source files.

Yeah, kinda like how the Gamecube's discs are encrypted and the encryption key is stored in a physically cut-away barcode that few drives can read and only expensive pressing machines can write, or how the DS won't boot anything over wifi that doesn't carry Nintendo's 2048-bit RSA signature, or how DS carts use a few forms of encryption and compression. Funny how GCN piracy is still possible, DS wireless hacks exist (and a firmware replacement can remove that signature check entirely), and DS games can be dumped, decrypted, pirated and hacked despite all this.

Bla bla encryption, yak yak signatures, yap yap compression. Wii will be hacked just like all the rest.
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Posted on 11-03-06 04:32 PM Link | Quote

Furthermore, sadly I believe, GC/ DS will mark the end to the hackers/ emulators riegn forever, b/c the Wii will support DRM, and I think all the data on liscensed games will be encrypted. If they really wanted to give the EMU/ hacking/ cheating community a headache, they could design future consoles such that it would refuse to read/ play any type of unencrypted/ decompressed/ unauthorized data. Any attempts at creating cheating, hacking, or otherwise GPL software for the system would then be in direct violation of software patents. This would also cripple any efforts at the emulation of future consoles, because reverse-assembly will be impossible without the original source files.


Sooo... how do you explain MKDS and ACWW hacking, since the DS uses signatures just like the Wii? Extra credit for covering homebrew.
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Posted on 11-03-06 05:26 PM Link | Quote
Perhaps the hacking concept lies into another thing: to produce copies of the game data burnt into physical media, as DVDs or EEPROMs. The idea of fetching the entire game data thourgh a network connection, and play it the same way directly into hardware seems to be a 'different' way of 'piracy'. By the way, it just proves the system has security flaws, but nobody was able to recreate media disks (yet).
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Posted on 11-03-06 06:01 PM Link | Quote
Great news for the topic this thread diverged into, current Nintendo DS methods don't rely on any security flaws; they really look just like officially-signed carts now.
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Originally posted by FreeDOS +
they really look and function just like officially-signed carts now.

Fixt. Also, there are GCN modchips that exploit a flaw much like the Dreamcast's to let you swap a real disc for a DVD.
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Posted on 11-03-06 07:21 PM Link | Quote
What do you mean? Can I burn a GC game image into a mini-DVD disc and play it using a modded-GC, eh? Guess no.

Originally posted by FreeDOS +
Great news for the topic this thread diverged into...

Yeah... should it be splitted?

Originally posted by FreeDOS +
(...)current Nintendo DS methods don't rely on any security flaws; they really look just like officially-signed carts now.


How so? You probably know the network connection "issue" with Phantasy Star and a PC. Well, did you read the article?


(edited by Zepper on 11-03-06 06:26 PM)
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