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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - ROM Hacking - Is this possible and how hard would this be? (A Pokemon Fire Red idea) |
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Nebetsu Mole                   Since: 11-17-05 From: WarKoL Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6291 days |
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| I've been playing Pokemon Fire Red and it got me thinking: How hard would it be to extend the map area to include Johto, change the islands to the south to be the Orange Islands from the TV show, and include all 20 (I believe (8 from Kanto, 8 from Johto, and 4 from the Orange Islands)) badges? Another interesting feature might be a time system (like in GSC), since if I made a hack, I would want it to have ALL of the first 251 Pokemon.
Any thoughts and/or opinions are welcome and appreciated. |
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Metal Knuckles Tendoru   Since: 12-21-05 From: New Hampshire Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| Being no expert on Pokemon hacking, nor having played it since Pokemon Gold, I might not be completely in the know-how of how fire-red is built. But it sounds like the map extending would require ASM work, as well as the gym badges (both for number of gym badges and for the appearence of them in the menu screen). The time system sounds like it as well, unless the system in fire red is built similar to Gold/Silver, with the built in clock. | |||
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Nebetsu Mole Since: 11-17-05 From: WarKoL Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6291 days |
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| There really is no time in Fire Red. It would have to be added somehow. | |||
Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6284 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| Were the Kanto badges ever shown in G/S/C? If not, all you'd have to do for that is store which ones you have in memory somewhere to be called in whatever appropriate events. Even fits in one byte.
Orange badges would be similar, only with half as much taken up. I'm assuming, of course, that there's a decent amount of available RAM for such things. (That sounds reasonable, right? I'm not that experienced with Pokemon stuff.) |
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Yoronosuku Toss Tortoise Since: 11-17-05 From: Massachusetts is my new home.. Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| Yeah. This wouldn't be feasable for anyone who isn't a ridiculously experienced hacker. Just saying right now ._. besides, hacks based on the anime/Johto are tired and done so many times, but hey, I guess we were due for another one. Good luck, I guess... | |||
ibz10g Spiny  Since: 08-10-06 From: Altoona, Iowa Last post: 6323 days Last view: 6323 days |
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| I like the idea, but it would require an insane amount of Assembly hacking. If you're up to it, I say go for it. If you aren't too skilled in that department, it could prove to be very difficult. | |||
kuja killer Rope Since: 11-17-05 From: Lake Havasu City, AZ Last post: 6322 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Originally posted by Skreename Yes, they were. Those games have 16 badges, 2 endings. The true final battle is against "Red" ..who is actually ash from red/blue/yellow And his pokemon are about 20-30 levels higher than the elite 4's edit: oh, you mean if they're ever shown on the trainer card thing with the other 8 badges? Then no, there not. (edited by kuja killer on 10-25-06 10:39 AM) |
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Metal Knuckles Tendoru Since: 12-21-05 From: New Hampshire Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Originally posted by kuja killerOriginally posted by Skreename Oh, well then I guess there goes one of your problems. Though it would be cool if they did appear on the screen. |
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Yoronosuku Toss Tortoise Since: 11-17-05 From: Massachusetts is my new home.. Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| They never appeared on screen. You just got them. | |||
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Nebetsu Mole Since: 11-17-05 From: WarKoL Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6291 days |
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| Yeah I would be willing to use some sort an to recreate the area from G/S/C, but I don't know any ASM at the moment, so I guess I really can't do this. It would be great if someone else gave it a shot or something. | |||
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interdpth Mole MZM rapist Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| Well I don't think map extending would require any ASM hacking. ROM extending of course. You'd have to move room header tables to blank space to include the new rooms you want. And of course you'd have to repoint the old pointers for the headers to the new one's. It'd be easy to write a tool to do that for you. Keitaro and Kawa I believe cracked the time system. But that may only be for R/S/E I'd think FR/LG would still have that in their memory somewhere since the engine code was based on R/S/E but i'd think that the only thing that'd require ASM would be making a clock, a day and night system well that could just do some if and compares via the scripting system, but you'd defienntly need to recode the badge system to include the different badges so that'd count for ASM, it'd be pretty feasible in my opionion given the motivation and the time. | |||
Darkdata   980  Since: 02-25-06 From: Newfoundland Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Originally posted by interdpth Advance map can add maps now. 
Also I don't think a time system will be possible unless you are really skilled. |
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Yoronosuku Toss Tortoise Since: 11-17-05 From: Massachusetts is my new home.. Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Originally posted by Nebetsu Keitaro is actualy doing a sort of restoration project for GSC based off the Fire Red engine. He's been secretive, but, little that's been shown looks beyond promising (and he's been at it for years, so you know something's getting done ) |
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Kyoufu Kawa Intends to keep Rom Hacking in one piece until the end  Since: 11-18-05 From: Catgirl Central Station Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Originally posted by Yoronosuku...actually... I think you've missed a couple chapters in -that- book. Hehe... |
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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6278 days Last view: 6278 days |
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| I've never played FR, but based on what I know of the other games and the GBA, it should be fairly feasible for an experienced ASM hacker. The only thing you really need to modify to add maps like you described is the town map routine to be able to have more town maps (and perhaps the town name tables to add to them); if FR works anything like the others, you should pretty much just be able to make as many areas as you want and choose how they appear on the town map.
Adding a clock should be fairly easy since the GBA has various carts with one built in, but changing palettes/Pokémon sets/scripts with time is going to be a fair bit of work if the game has no existing time system. |
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Nebetsu Mole Since: 11-17-05 From: WarKoL Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6291 days |
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| I guess I'll ditch the time system and figure out some other way to evolve Eevee into Umbreon and Espeon. | |||
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6284 days Last view: 6277 days |
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| Well, for what it's worth, in XD (the Gamecube one) it was handled through gaining a level with certain hold items equipped. Since there are no evolutions of that sort in the GBA ones to my knowledge, you may just want to make it be done through new usable items.
Hell, you could just make it be done with sun/moon stones. It makes sense somewhat, although it does break with the older games. Or, if you don't want to muck with those things, you could probably give it the same conditions as the Wurmple->Silcoon/Cascoon evolution. Main issue is that it's a tad arbitrary. Of course, I somehow doubt you wanted this much on that, so I'll stop now. |
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Yoronosuku Toss Tortoise Since: 11-17-05 From: Massachusetts is my new home.. Last post: 6277 days Last view: 6277 days |
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Or you can just...y'know, leave it alone. Fire Red still has Espeon and Umbreon, its just random. Usualy its a good idea to KNOW the game you're hacking before you hack it  |
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Nebetsu Mole Since: 11-17-05 From: WarKoL Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6291 days |
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Originally posted by Yoronosuku All the guides say that it can't be done... >> |
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