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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - World Affairs/Debate - Oh, that wacky Bush administration and their shenanigans |
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa                    Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Dr_Death16 You mean like your claim that in order for Cirvante to have the right to call the president stupid, he has to be a member of congress? Or does he just need to have the backing of millions of people? At any rate, I'd worry more about the event mentioned in the article linked if it had actual consequences. A stern talking-to, while possibly seeming harsh, is harmless in the long run. As for the "yelling at" thing... Emotionally charged situations tend to lead to exaggerated memories. The main problem I see was telling the parents they'd talk to the daughter with their presence, but not doing so. |
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Young Guru Snifit  Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Dr_Death16 Oh my, you're so misguided. Everyone knows that going through the government doesn't get anything done. if you really want to make a difference get a job in science or engineering and go out and fix all the problems that are wrong with the world because God knows the government won't (Look at New Orleans, I could've looked at the data about the levies there when I was a freshman in high school and told you they were no good, and that's what happened, the government was told they were no good, but fixing them requires money and nobody wants to spend money to protect it's people, shameful, and down right criminal negligence). And last I've checked, I'm pretty sure that my vote hasn't been counted ever since I started doing absentee balots, because well, they seem to only count those on close races, which doesn't really fit to the purpose of everyone getting to vote, but alas, what am I to do. Originally posted by Pvt. Prinny I think it's funny how people think that liberals actually liked Kerry. I'm quite liberal and there was nothing I saw that appealing in Kerry, other than the fact that he wasn't Bush. When people are voting for someone they see as pretty much worthless and not that good just because they aren't you, you know you've got a serious disconnect with the people of your nation. |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Not my words, I just find it an absolutely hilarious comparison. Thank god Grey has a sense of humor. Let's try not to get off topic with Kerry though. | |||
Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| Actually, given that this is the internet and we're only about half of us Americans, I'd argue that the median political view isn't particularly leftish at all. If this were a country club in Texas then certainly this is the case... but as it stands the spread of views is about what is to be expected from a forum like this. | |||
emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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A few secret service officers overreacted. Big deal. No one was arrested or beat down. |
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Young Guru Snifit Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| My issue with what happened is that they went around the parents. The parents were informed about what happened and they asked the SS if they could be present when their daughter was questioned. The SS said that they would wait for the daughter to be with her parents and then went to the school to question the student. They lied to the principle, saying that the parents knew they were coming to the school, and they lied to the parents by directly going to the school. If they had told the parents no, we're going to question your daughter now without you there, then well, that's what they're going to do, but there's no reason to decieve the parents. And I think there's actually a legal sense that concerning minors parents must be kept in the loop about what is going on in investigations. This event isn't a violation of free speech, it's just the government via the SS being a bunch of lying dicks. And you can't deny, living in the world that we live in, that when an agent of the government screws up it elevates itself to the government screwing up, that's just how our society works, right or wrong. (edited by Young Guru on 10-22-06 08:06 AM) |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I don't know what actually happened there, but I suspect there was just some miscommunication. | |||
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Young Guru Snifit Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by SFgateFrom what I read of this the SS mislead both the parents and the assistant principle. If it was truly a miscommunication then I guess the issue really isn't that bad. The part in bold clears up what I thought was different in my previous post, there is no requirement for the parents to be there. |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| On a side note, shenanigans is a very funny word. | |||
Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Well, in all honesty, this is not a matter of free speech. This is a matter of national security, and it looks like we caught the "Federal Authorities" with their pants down.
What we just caught them doing: Interrogating a minor without A) A lawyer present, or B) the parents and/or guardians. Does this consititute a breach of some kind of juvenile offenders act or something in the United States? If so, I might question the "Shoot later, ask questions first" policy of the FBI or NSA. |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite. Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| You can't question anyone for authority means without a lawyer there, doing it to a minor is just abusing their innocence I'd think... | |||
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Young Guru Snifit Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| You both seem to be misinformed. There is no requirement for a lawyer to be there when questioned, the person only needs to be informed that they have the option of requesting a lawyer. Also, even so, if that is not done there is nothing saying they cannot question you, it's just that the interogation cannot be used in a judicial proceeding. If they knew that this wasn't going to be a threat then there is no need for them to tell the girl she can have a lawyer and no need to wait for a lawyer to show up. Now, if it turned out that she was infact a dangerous terrorist mastermind, all the info that they had extracted from her in their interogation would be moot in the court of law.
Also, I'm not positive that they interogated her, more like a stern talking to. Also, there is no obligation for the parents to be there. |
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