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Thexare

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Posted on 10-19-06 05:13 PM Link | Quote
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Originally posted by Thexare
How difficult is it to come up with a specific, clear wording? I mean, seriously, what the fuck?


The problem is that, since the ESRB is not a government organization, and is fact run by people within the videogame industry, the lawmakers intentionally avoid mentioning it or its rating system, instead relying on terms such as "inappropriate content" and "violent content" without specifying what constitutes "inappropriate" content and/or "violence"

It's official, lawmakers are idiots.
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My opinion on this has always been fairly simple: The current system almost has it right, but it doesn't describe the issues in enough detail ("violence" and "mature themes" don't explain anything) and it tries to do the parenting itself. The real problem is parents. Store owners shouldn't have to tell little Billy he can't buy GTA3, because Billy's parents should be there with him to tell him that or should at least see he has a new game and read the warning labels and/or play it a bit themselves to see if they think he should be playing it.
Really, there are two problems: One, parents are too dumb/don't care enough to make sure their children aren't buying or playing games they shouldn't be. Two, rather than trying to remedy this, the ESRB and other such organizations are trying to take the parents' place themselves by censoring and placing age restrictions on games. Parents who don't know/care enough to be a parent are the basis of a number of problems in the world.
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Posted on 10-25-06 08:35 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by HyperHacker
My opinion on this has always been fairly simple: The current system almost has it right, but it doesn't describe the issues in enough detail ("violence" and "mature themes" don't explain anything) and it tries to do the parenting itself.

I agree mostly with what you have to say, the system is doing a lot to attempt to inform people about what is in games but there are probably some changes that can be made to improve the rating system. I think the issues with the description of content in games is more related to parents not understanding games. What exactly is more vague between descriptors of "mature themes" and "thematic eleements". Both of those are arbitrarily vague, but parents are used to seeing thematic elements as a description of movies and understand the basics of what it means, but they don't necessarily have anything to relate to mature themes for video games. This is why the system might need to find ways to relate their ratings toward film ratings so that parents won't be so perplexed by it. I do feel though that the rating system for games isn't that confusing, it's more that parents just haven't taken the time to look into it. I have heard parents at rental places tell their kids that they can pick up any game, as long as it isn't rated M. And then I see some letting their kids get any game but check out the rating and if the descriptors of the M rated game aren't ones that they disapprove of then they let the kid get the game. But the majority of what I see is parents allowing their kids to get any game and then being shocked when there is content in the game that they didn't expect, even though the content is described on the box.
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Posted on 10-25-06 07:03 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Thexare
Originally posted by JDavis

Originally posted by Thexare
How difficult is it to come up with a specific, clear wording? I mean, seriously, what the fuck?


The problem is that, since the ESRB is not a government organization, and is fact run by people within the videogame industry, the lawmakers intentionally avoid mentioning it or its rating system, instead relying on terms such as "inappropriate content" and "violent content" without specifying what constitutes "inappropriate" content and/or "violence"

It's official, lawmakers are idiots.


See also: "Lieberman, Joseph." For reals, there's one campaign ad that he's running. I forget the exact words, but he was going on about cracking down on games, and what's he holding? GTA: SA (or maybe VC). I believe (as I can't watch YouTube videos at work... old version of Flash, can't upgrade) it's this one. But hey, I'm Team Lamont, my girlfriend's Team Leeb, no one knows who the fuck Alan Schlesinger is, and I think it's close enough people have made up their minds.

(edited by drjayphd on 10-25-06 06:03 PM)
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