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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - World Affairs/Debate - My Theory On Jack Thompson. |
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emcee Red Super Koopa                  Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| Wasn't that a show on Nickelodeon? Wait, no... | |||
Glyphodon  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| You're right, they could get in a fair bit of trouble for that. It'd be nice to have an entertainment company suing neo-nazis for a change, though. | |||
Cara Zeltina  90 Since: 05-11-06 Last post: 6354 days Last view: 6354 days |
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Originally posted by emcee I don't know, but for some reason I want a pair. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by Cara Zeltina I think the point of my argument was that there is something we can do so that even though parents will be ignorant, those games won't be so bad for the children that end up playing. Originally posted by Cara Zeltina Teenagers are the audience these violent games are aimed at, so what is the problem here, or is this just rambling? Originally posted by Cara Zeltina Don't attack me because I think censorship isn't a bad thing. It's simply a matter of prespective, and if you think impinging freedom is worse than letting some kid fuck a whore in GTA3 to regain your health, that's simply your opinion and I have nothing to say about it. Freedom is important. But hear me when I say (Again) that the ESRB SHOULD be doing something to not eliminate the violence, but to make sure these games reach it's target audience rather than a small kid. Originally posted by Cara Zeltina Jack Thompson is a blind fool, and anyone who buys into that bullshit that Jdavis posted has no opinion at all. They're narrow minded people who don't see the full picture. But it's not censorship that should be advocated, it's control of where the game in question ends up. Originally posted by Cara Zeltina So perhaps you and me should be the one to bitchslap these ignorant fools with some common sense and an ESRB rating chart? Do you really think it's practical to assume that parents will eventually raise their kids better? Welcome to the new age, sweetheart, the baby boomers are dead or dying, this is the age where parents are mostly ex hippies or vietnam war veterans. People just don't care anymore. Some do, but does anyone ever stop to think that it might not be enough? |
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Nebetsu Mole  Since: 11-17-05 From: WarKoL Last post: 6292 days Last view: 6292 days |
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| Careful Rom Manic. This is a fun thread and I wouldn't want it to be closed... >> | |||
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| The term bitchslap may a little excessive, but I used it as an example, not really to be vulgar. | |||
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Nebetsu Mole Since: 11-17-05 From: WarKoL Last post: 6292 days Last view: 6292 days |
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| Oops. Sorry I zoned out and thought you were calling Jdavis bad things. (edited by Nebetsu on 10-15-06 03:34 PM) |
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JDavis Nintendo Fanboy Local Mod Affected by 'The Golden Power' +  Since: 11-17-05 From: Ada, OK, USA Last post: 6292 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| 1) In the (slightly altered) words of SomerZ, "Capital D, damnit!"
2) The only bullshit I posted was things Thompson said. Everything else is fact. |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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I'm sorry, but...
How the HELL did he get away with that one? Aside from being totally insulting to Islam (you know, trying to get AWAY from that image of the religion), there's just so much wrong with that paragraph... *head explodes* This is why I hate the man. |
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by Rom Manic what do they have the power to do, though? they aren't the distributors or the lawmakers, all they can do is rate the games as far as i know. sorry about capitalization, my left hand is dealing with a large bump on my face and the shift key isn't easily reached. |
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Jomb Deddorokku  Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6281 days |
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The older generation is always going to be fearful and distrustful of the new media they did'nt grow up with. They don't "get it" usually, and so many will assume it is worthless and/or harmful. But the content of the games should'nt be shocking, it's really nothing new, we've seen it all before. Tell the kids not to play video-games, have them go read books instead. Maybe they'll choose Shakespeare and read about murders, adultery, whoring, etc. But somehow if they get it from Shakespeare instead of GTA that is applauded and they get patted on the back  |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by ThexareOriginally posted by Rom Manic Well, the least they could do is set up advertising campaigns to inform the citizens of yours and my country about what is contained in games like GTA and Halo and Silent Hill. It would be a start, anyway...Other than that, they really have no power to do much of anything. |
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Jomb Deddorokku Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6281 days |
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| Heh, on a side note, now that Silent Hill has been brought up.. I have a little nephew, about 6 years old who loves PS2. He kept insisting I let him play Silent Hill, saying he was old enough and was'nt scared of anything. I finally let him play it for alittle while while I was watching him. He got to the part at the beginning where you first get the radio and the monster comes after you. He started crying in terror and ran away. He's never asked to play one of my games again |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Heh, good thing it wasn't Doom 3. He thought that was bad...Couldn't be much worse, to say the least  |
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by Rom ManicOriginally posted by ThexareOriginally posted by Rom Manic How many would pay attention to the ads, though? Nevermind actually getting them run somewhere - I can only recall three video game advertisements in this area in my entire time living here (actually, I can only recall there being three, I only remember one of them - FFX2 - because it kept playing all the fucking time), and I'm honestly not sure the ESRB would do much more, especially considering that it could wind up working as essentially free advertising for the games... The best thing I could see happening is a legal requirement that M rated games not be sold to anyone under 17 (some stores already have that as their policy, I even ended up getting carded at Gamestop, and this may be law in some places), and that any people buying an M rated game with minors accompanying them be informed of the game's content. There may still be the issue of the older brother, sister, cousin, or whatever else buying the game, but at least it'd cut down on the number of ignorant parents. Hopefully. (edited by Thexare on 10-16-06 07:58 PM) |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by Thexare Well it's not really so much as people actually paying attention to the advertisements (Not many people do, anyway), but something is at least better than nothing. That way, one person sees it, they might possibly go so far as to bring it up at the dinner table, or when company is over. From there, the whole idea of mature rated games becomes more introduced into society. Originally posted by Thexare I like the idea of the store clerk informing the adult about the game content when there's a minor present. It might be hard to keep on top of all the games in stock, so maybe a list would have to be compiled for the games they have in stock. |
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Ailure Mr. Shine I just want peace...  Since: 11-17-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by ColinHe apparently hadn't read the bible, becuse there is killing of innocent people in that too and justifies it. Death angels anyone? None of the Abrahamic religions really justifies killing between human people as far I know though. :/ |
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JDavis Nintendo Fanboy Local Mod Affected by 'The Golden Power' + Since: 11-17-05 From: Ada, OK, USA Last post: 6292 days Last view: 6280 days |
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Originally posted by Rom Manic You're kidding, right? 
The ESRB has been putting out advertising about the rating system practically since its inception in 1994. In-store advertising, magazine and print advertising, television advertising, billboards... One of the most recent ad campaigns even uses art by Mike Krahulik ("Gabe" of Penny Arcade). And let's not forget it was the ESRB themselves who, in 1999, started the campaign to encourage stores to enact policies to check for ID on M Rated games. The MPAA didn't have to advertise the existence of its film rating system this heavily back when it was new (you know, 1968). Surely that doesn't have anything to do with parents being more responsible back then and less expecting the government and society to raise their kids for them
And, of course, I'm going to point out that the MPAA started their ratings system because their earlier policies of censoring movies ultimately failed. Movie studios simply started releasing films without the MPAA's approval, and most theaters went ahead and showed them, because the almighty dollar outweighed the potential moralistic issues. Same thing with comic books and their Comics Code Authority, whose downfall was accelerated by the underground comics scene and shops that specialized in comic books and thus (unlike the grocery stores and drug stores and the like) didn't care if the comics had the CCA seal of approval or not. If the ESA tried ditching the ESRB in favor of censorship (ESCB?), it would fail even faster. Not only are there stores like Gamestop that specialize in video games, we live in an age of electronic distribution. You can already purchase a large number of games for (legal) download over the internet. Not just PC games, but console games as well (XBox Live Arcade, Nintendo Virtual Console.... Whatever the hell the PS3's XBLA knock off will be called). But enough of my anti-censorship rant, that's not really where I intended for this post to go. I find it hard to believe there's anyone left in America who isn't at least vaguely aware of the content in the Grand Theft Auto series, what with how the news tends to focus on it over other such games. Originally posted by Thexare Plenty of states have attempt to pass legislation to that effect, but they tend to get thrown out for being so badly worded that they clash with the First Amendment or they leave too much room for interpretation... Or fairly often both. Originally posted by Rom Manic You do know there are content descriptors on the back of all game packaging, don't you?  Sure, they don't get extremely specific, but they tell enough to give a general idea of what's in it. |
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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The parents don't always look at the packaging, though. And while I normally would want to go with the "you did it to yourself, you fucking imbecile" approach to dealing with those parents, these are games that definitely should not end up with little kids. That would at least help to remove some of the ignorance. Plus, the content descriptors aren't very specific, they don't tell you what the violence consists of, or any possibly circumstances surrounding it - if a situation could be seen as particularly objectionable, like shooting a police officer or blowing up an ambulance, the game's package won't tell you. I'm definitely against censorship, since there are people that are mature enough to play these games, but people need to pay more attention and know more about the games, and parents aren't usually doing any research themselves.
How difficult is it to come up with a specific, clear wording? I mean, seriously, what the fuck? |
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JDavis Nintendo Fanboy Local Mod Affected by 'The Golden Power' + Since: 11-17-05 From: Ada, OK, USA Last post: 6292 days Last view: 6280 days |
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I meant simply that they wouldn't have to make a list like Rom Maniac was saying, because the descriptors are on the box. I think the first step to getting parents to pay attention to the ratings would be to make them more prominent on the box. Presently they're only about 1 cm wide by 2 cm tall, and shoved down in the lower left corner. They need to be so visible that a parent can't help but notice them.
Originally posted by Thexare The problem is that, since the ESRB is not a government organization, and is fact run by people within the videogame industry, the lawmakers intentionally avoid mentioning it or its rating system, instead relying on terms such as "inappropriate content" and "violent content" without specifying what constitutes "inappropriate" content and/or "violence" |
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