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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.                    Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| http://www.eagleforum.org/educate/1998/apr98/math_scores.html
2nd one that's kind of long. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/education/july-dec05/sat_8-30.html The fourth one that is really long. I was reading another forum and I came across a post with these articles, further down the page someone showed a problem for the pre-GED test that they got wrong. (Technicality, not they didn't know what they were doing.) I was wondering if people really don't know math well and who's to blame? (edited by Pvt. Prinny on 10-14-06 12:34 PM) |
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||bass Administrator   Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6278 days |
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| I blame PE class for taking away time from actual real education. | |||
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Simon Belmont Except I'm totally fucking hyped about Dracula X: Chronicles.  Since: 11-18-05 From: Pittsburgh Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6278 days |
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| It's a combination between kids not wanting to learn, and their parents not being good at math, and not punishing/yelling/disciplining their kids for not wanting to learn math. I would hardly blame PE; if someone doesn't want to learn something, they're just not going to learn it. | |||
emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6278 days |
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I think its just general flaws in our education system. School hours have increased, credit requirements have increased, and work loads have increased. But is anyone getting any smarter? Grades are supposed to be an indicator of how well someone is learning. But somewhere along the line the grades became more important then the actual learning. The focus of school has moved away from learning and into simply getting credits and mantaining a good GPA. They give the students piles of homework, which they just copy the answers off the one or two of them that knows them. Then they cram information for tests, and it promply leaks back out the next day. And this is not only condoned by the system, it's actually encouraged, because all that matters anymore is the grade.
Think about it, were the people who finished at the top of your class the smartest? Go up to the average high school graduate and ask them basic questions, like "What's a quadratic equation?", "What was the SS?", and "What's a joule?". And most won't be able to answer. They did home work on these things, they took tests on them, but they never learned about them.
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Cirvania Cyball I guess this is as close as Xkeeper will get to spell it right. :< Since: 11-17-05 From: The Island of Puerto Rico. Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6279 days |
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| I blame the entire educational system, period.
The current manner of teaching and evaluation is so unappealing to students that they'd rather be at home or doing other stuff in the streets. Currently our education is in the hands of people who are not interested in the needs of the alumni, but on making them cram as much material as possible in the shortest period of time for the sake of "competence in the laboral market", which only causes students to become stressed out because of huge workloads from different subjects. We're essentially training kids to work like miniature adults from infancy, albeit with few of the rights. Not wanting to learn math is the least of our worries. 
Edit: emcee beat me to it  (edited by Ice Cirvante on 10-14-06 08:22 PM) |
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MathOnNapkins  1100  In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6278 days |
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I'm to blame. Us math nerds sucked up all the math knowledge and now there's not much left to go around  . |
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Young Guru Snifit  Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6285 days Last view: 6278 days |
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| The article on the SATs shows that the College Board has failed at how they're grading. The grading of the SAT is a curved process where the highest percentiles get 800 and then it drops down. All I can say is a drop doesn't mean too much on the SATs, I took it twice, got the same score on english both times Improved from 710 to 800 on math by missing 2 questions the first time and 3 the second time. Yup, I missed one more but got 90 more points. So yeah, if everyone had a change of one question jumping their grade around that much a small drop isn't too concerning. The artile on people failing the jersey testing is a little more alarming. I do think that a lot of people are finding ways to get through school without learning, but I wouldn't blame the people at the top, those people usually know a lot about school subjects, but people that are a little bit below the top could fall into that category. I have my issues with how grading is done, but I don't know what other way there is to provide colleges with a guideline for who to accept to their schools. It would be nice if everyone had an advisor that could just evaluate the student, but I know at my school each advisor was responsible for 800 students and I only saw her twice, once to give her my college applications so she could fill out the administrative sections and a second to tell her where I was going to school. If schools had more funding then there would be a way to have enough advisors to actuall follow the achievements of the student and accurately judge their ability in school and possibly use that to have more weight on college applications so fewer would just find the method to get the highest GPA at the cost of learning. | |||
Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6280 days |
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Originally posted by emcee You know, I don't know what those things are either. This is, I assume, because I haven't done mathematics since 10th grade? It's funny, I wouldn't have picked mathematics as the big failing of schools in the US--while I was over there the maths and science teachings seemed pretty bang-on compared to my experiences in Australia, probably even a little better (particularly with regard to science). The real problems seemed to be in English and the social sciences, where the English and History classes I took were quite literally years behind our standards. At any rate, I wouldn't get too upset, guys. 19th place still means you're beating like 180 countries? |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6278 days |
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Originally posted by Arwon Actually only the first one was directly related to math. The second was history and the third was physics. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6280 days |
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| Oh, THAT SS.
I'm with you now. I assumed it was some obscure scientician acronym. |
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rubixcuber Mole  Since: 09-08-06 From: St. Louis, MO Last post: 6388 days Last view: 6388 days |
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| I don't see why our education system can't teach kids enough math to get through the SAT. The math on the SAT is ridiculouly easy. I think some of the money going to sports should be used to revamp the entire education system. Because it sucks. | |||
spiroth10 Paratroopa Since: 01-28-06 From: USA Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6278 days |
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| ok. this is from my school experiance
too much Homework -- hell, homework is 20-30% of the grade in most classes -- thats 30% of the whole class grade gotten at home. sometimes it goess up to 40, but very rarely. And the homework for classes like math, if done incorrectly by us students, can then be failed, which is ridiculous seeing as the math teacher was not there to help if we had problems -- she just sped through the notes in class and expects us to comprehend them. not enough classwork -- back in elementary school, we had problems to figure out before going home. Now it seems that all the actual work (other than tests/quizzes) is done at home -- sort of ties in with teh above. State Tests -- Teachers end up scaring the hell out of kids so they pass these tests, during which they get nervous and fail. I'm an excellent test-taker myself. Drug/Alcohol Abuse-- most of you guys are probably on the other side of the line on this one. Kids spend WAYYY too much time drinking/doing drugs nowadays. Hell, most of them start when they're under 12(at least here). A lot of people are high DURING SCHOOL. something needs to be done about it. Job Requirement/cost of living awareness -- most kids think they can get a job from a friend, and live life out easy. this, not being the case, needs to be taught to kids. They need to learn that an education is ESSENTIAL FOR EVEN LOW WAGE JOBS. high school dropouts cannot hope for more than minimum wage w/out benefits, which even in NY is not enough (over $7/hour). Good jobs require college/medical/grad school. decent jobs require (at least) a 2 year or vocational diploma. Parenting -- parents need more involvement with education. If they don't care, the child should be removed from their custody. I'm sorry, but as long as they get a decent education, they'll understand why later in life. School is too long -- I have 3 block classes (80 minutes each) and one class that is a block+ a quarter (105 minutes) alltogether thats 345 minutes of class. plus lunch ( measly 20 minutes), thats 365 minutes. school starts (in my area) at 7:45 AM (which I believe is a bit too early) and gets out at 2:15 (too late) if you play sports, don't count on practice getting out until (at least) 5. then you have been in school for over 550+ minutes (9+ hours) and your tired, havent had much fun all day, hungry, and sick of school. you eat for 30 minutes, and your going to want at least 6 hours of sleep. thats 16 hours and 30 minutes of your day wasted right there. AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE HOMEWORK. depending on your workload (usually a lot), this can take up to 3+ hours to complete! That is 19 hours and 10 minutes of your day wasted on school and dinner. this is without your waking hours (5:00 if you ride the bus, about 6:00 otherwise) so in the end you spend over 14 hours of a 24 hour day preparing for/completing a school day. Seeing as you only got 6 hours to sleep, and you havent seen any friends, you won't be too satisfied with this concept of school, and grades will drop. it really amounts to waaay more than an 8 hour workday, which would take about 10 hours without overtime, leaving you time to relax and prepare thoroughly for the next day. school should NOT take priority over life, this is a concept that seems to have been totally forgotten. |
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NintendoFB Coney Since: 11-02-06 From: Florida, US Last post: 6341 days Last view: 6341 days |
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Originally posted by spiroth10 Lucky, I got 4 block classes (90 Minutes each) a 36 Minute lunch, and 7 minutes between classes. I would also like to point out that I start 20 minutes earlier than you, and get out 15 minutes later. I scarcely join clubs or extracurricular activities because I'm too damn tired to. They totally need to revamp our school, 1,500 student in our Freshmen class alone, 5,500 in the whole school. We have a separate Annex to ourselves, but since I live in south Florida it tends to rain a lot. It's ridiculous, we have two schools in our area, and they're both overcrowded. I'm fucking sick of it. Especially having to lose an hour of sleep just to watch the Colbert Report. I usually get less than 6 hours of sleep and often red-eye. I'm sick of homework asking trivial stuff because teacher's don't want to get off their ass to teach a lesson, no wonder unemployment rates are skyrocketing. One last thing, at least 70% of my school does drugs, they don't even care talking about them in front of teachers. There's too much sex, alcohol, drama, drugs and just straight-up bullshit in my school, and guess what? I'm only a freshman. |
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skrenename1337 Hammer Since: 11-20-06 Last post: 6341 days Last view: 6341 days |
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| A difficult question to answer. (Not the math, don't worry.)
The environment someone grows up in has a lot to do with the amount of education they soak up. Ironically, some of the people with the best resources on earth at their fingertips don't live up to that name and don't do well simply because so much pressure is heaped on them. Younger siblings, for example, of intelligent students feel that they have to compete and after being beaten time and time again, they give up. It's too complicated to answer, but a person getting a simple GED question wrong still had the initiative to take the GED. |
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