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windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6286 days |
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http://board.acmlm.org/thread.php?id=8384
Continuation of this discussion. It had to be continued here because, uh, well, there's really no good reason. Originally posted by windwaker This was the last post before the old "I'm sort of a moderator but not really!" kicked in. Discuss. |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6346 days Last view: 6309 days |
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Marriage exists in most or all religions, Marriage is a spiritually and legally binding agreement between two partners.
Separation of church and state is the first thing that comes to mind after reading this. Just cut the religion out of socially abnormal Marriages. If it’s not religious then no one should have a problem with it unless they are discriminatory assholes that wish to push their religious values into laws. does that sum it up? (edited by Crayola on 10-08-06 07:10 PM) |
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windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6286 days |
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Originally posted by Crayola That should sum it up, yes. However, I think psychologically, people like Silvershield (for example) know people who they respect (perhaps with good reasons) who don't like the idea of allowing gay marriage. Someone like Silvershield is intelligent, but instead of simply disagreeing with them, they have to come up with a way that sounds the least discriminatory, in their own mind, to discriminate against homosexuals. In this case, by saying "oh but it's tradition! Like slavery was-- I mean, tradition!" There is no way to get through to these people, so you argue with them over the internet until they whine and end up using the wrong form of "there". |
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||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6278 days |
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Indeed quite sacred in this culture of ours. | |||
windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6286 days |
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Originally posted by ||bass Hahahaha. This should be the end to all arguments based on "but it's sacred!" |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite. Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6279 days |
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In absolutely all fairness, Silveshield was only presenting an argument and said that he really didn't care either way. He was playing the "Devil's Advocate" role and then you made it personal.
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6278 days |
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I never really got this argument. It seems pretty obvious to me that legal marriage, and religious marriage are too seperate things. I see no reason why the government can't recognize the legal marriage of two men or two woman. And I see no reason why a religious organization would have to recognize it, or why they should be concerned if the government does. I'm sure God doesn't care about a piece of paper issued by the government, why should they? | |||
windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6286 days |
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Abortion was also a topic of discussion in the previous thread. I just didn't know what to put in the title. | |||
geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6293 days Last view: 6279 days |
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and who ruined marriage?
hippies, liberals and feminists. |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite. Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Technically? Augustine did. | |||
Metal Knuckles Tendoru Since: 12-21-05 From: New Hampshire Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by geeogree Would you believe that I recently got called a "sexist pig" for holding a door open for one of the all above? =/ I miss the good old days of seperation between church and state. Sure, it didn't really exist, but it was something nice to look at all the same. |
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Ailure Mr. Shine I just want peace... Since: 11-17-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6278 days |
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Originally posted by geeogreeAnd is there any good reason for that? I don't see how they would ruin marriage. Besides, thoose groups of people seems to be irrelevant to marriages, unless you refer to the fact that liberals want to allow same-sex marriages which I see no problems with. And why same-sex marriages would ruin marriages I never gotten a good and firm explanation on. ||bass: Haha, good point... and it's correct for other western countries too. Originally posted by Metal KnucklesWe seperated for five years ago.Originally posted by geeogreeI miss the good old days of seperation between church and state. Sure, it didn't really exist, but it was something nice to look at all the same. Even when the state and church was the same thing, relgion still had a very small influence on politics. Despite that Swedish people apparently visits churches often. Even some priests dosen't mind homosexuals. And yes, the protostantic church is a majority here too... (edited by Ailure on 10-11-06 12:04 PM) (edited by Ailure on 10-11-06 12:05 PM) (edited by Ailure on 10-11-06 12:07 PM) (edited by Ailure on 10-11-06 12:09 PM) |
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Xeo Belmont Wiiiiiiiiiiiiin Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6278 days Last view: 6278 days |
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Originally posted by ||bass That was just priceless. |
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Jomb Deddorokku Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6281 days Last view: 6281 days |
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The marriage issue is a classic example of people wanting to force everyone to their own viewpoints. How does it possibly effect you what some other people's marriage arrangements are? I'd be against it to if we were talking about forcing people to have homosexual marriages, but that is not the case. Worry about your own marriage and make sure its a good one, dont concern yourself with how other people choose to live their lives, so long as they are'nt interfering with yours. | |||
Sin Dogan 860 Uoodo Original Blend Armored Trooper Votoms Canned Coffee! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6283 days Last view: 6282 days |
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I just think that relationships are personal and when I first heard as a kid that same sex marriages were not allowed, I was pretty much like "why?". Same sex couples deserve the same rights other couples do. It's as simple as that. Aside from being recognized as married, such couples should be allowed to have the same benefits.(financial among others)
As some of you know, I am quite religious, but that doesn't mean I'm pigheaded, ignorant, or insensitive to such an issue. Quite the opposite. It's not our place as humans to judge others and we should support justice and freedom of lifestyle. That only leads to understanding, coexistence, and peace between peoples. I find it also rather funny(and odd) that Spain, a nation with a religious background and culture(Catholicism and Islam being the top two religions) legalized same sex marriages when it became a Socialist nation in 2005 while France, a country with extremely secular views, has not done the same. |
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Xkeeper Took the board down in a blaze of glory, only to reveal how truly moronical ||bass is. Since: 11-17-05 From: Henderson, Nevada Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by emcee civil union != religious marrage why can people not get this (i.e.: wtg, you win the internet for realizing it) |
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Young Guru Snifit Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6285 days Last view: 6279 days |
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Originally posted by Xkeeper Are you saying that people that get married outside the church, such as atheists as well as same sex couples should be given civil unions instead of marriage contracts, or are you saying that by giving same sex partners legal marriage that it won't ruin the religious part of marriage. That latter is what I've been arguing since God knows when and most people don't seem to understand it. I not sure if there would be much complaining from same sex partners if every legal contract of marriage was renamed to civil union (I know for damn sure most heterosexual couples would flip a shit), but as long as there's a different contract legally for same sex couples and opposite sex couples then there will be a problem. |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite. Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6280 days Last view: 6279 days |
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[quote = Xkeeper]civil union != religious marrage
why can people not get this (i.e.: wtg, you win the internet for realizing it) I have a post in the last topic that shows that religious marriage = sham. Marriage was completely civil until 5th century AD. If you want to seperate between religious marriage and civil union, why not just call one a religious marriage and the other civil marriage? |
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skrenename1337 Hammer Since: 11-20-06 Last post: 6341 days Last view: 6341 days |
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Religion interfering with an institution of government: marriage, is wrong. Does an Athiest believe that God said marriage was between a man and a woman? Of course not, so why do Americans forget about this simple act of freedom when they strive so hard to be politically correct? | |||
Kasumi-Astra Flurry Since: 11-18-05 From: Sheffield England Last post: 6279 days Last view: 6278 days |
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While I commend your comment, please do not bump threads that have been inactive for almost two months |
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