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windwaker

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Posted on 10-08-06 07:53 PM Link
http://board.acmlm.org/thread.php?id=8384

Continuation of this discussion. It had to be continued here because, uh, well, there's really no good reason.

Originally posted by windwaker
Just so you know, Silvershield, the bold is my commentary (the letters that have more pixels (dots) than the other letters).

Originally posted by Silvershield
Originally posted by windwaker
NOTHING about US law should be sacred.
Marriage existed as a sacred institution long before the laws of America were a twinkle in the Founding Fathers' eyes, or before Columbus even stepped onto his ship to seek the Indies; we as Americans did not invent marriage, and we cannot alter its character by declaring it an entirely secular insitution. In any case, though, I made it quite clear that I don't have a set opinion on the matter, so don't jump all over me as if I'm your enemy.

Wow, you see, I just installed this thing called lololol 2.0 RC, it just came out, and it has spell checking. I forgot to turn it off, but wow, look what I found. I thought "their" was the only spelling mistake in your 300+ posts? Wrong. "Their" isn't a spelling mistake, you used the wrong word. However, you did spell "institution" incorrectly. How embarrassing, considering your, you know, next sentence:

Originally posted by windwaker
First of all, it's not "their", it's "there".
Congratulations on discovering probably the single spelling mistake that you will find in my 300+ posts. I'm glad you used it to your advantage.

tool.

Originally posted by windwaker
If you can't use/spell even the simplest homophones correctly, who are you to say that a fetus is a "distinct life"?
Because the ability to spell correctly is a prerequisite for being able to make decisions regarding morality.

Well, spelling, not being totally arrogant/ironic, the list goes on.

Originally posted by windwaker
But, at least you aren't a hipocrit like a lot of "pro-life"-ers: [emphasis mine]
As stated, how "eyronic."

Originally posted by windwaker
Good. Everyone can have an opinion about what's wrong or not, and lying, for instance, isn't illegal. But alot more people should think about the consequences of what a law would do (that's you bass), rather than just saying "ABORTION IS WRONG AND IF IT IS ILLEGAL PEOPLE WON'T GET ABORTIONS". This is why the War on Drugs is failing, and prohibition failed before it.
First of all, don't patronize me. Secondly, lying isn't illegal because it does not directly murder an unborn child. Apples and oranges here.

Perhaps I overestimated you. Lying isn't illegal because YOU CAN'T MODERATE LYING. No one's going to be able to arrest people for lying.

I'll patronize you until you prove that you can handle these concepts without my help. You see, if abortions become illegal, people are just going to get abortions by paying off doctors. Very similar to how people get medical marijuana licenses today. See how I made a correlation between the two?


I only support the idea of instituting programs to offer alternatives to abortion, rather than simply outlawing it, because I'm not out to hurt pregnant women but to protect their unborn children. Outlawing abortion leaves a pregnant woman with no real alternative that does not injure the child, while improving the situation with birth control, adoption programs, etc can prevent or safely solve the problem.

Is semen an unborn child? Is it wrong to use condoms? The catholic church thinks so. Some people think a fetus isn't a living thing. Some people think contraceptives are sinful. Who are YOU, Mr. "I spell great except this one time", to draw this line?

Originally posted by blackhole89
Have the distinct lives in mind before washing your hands with that anti-bacterial soap next time.
I didn't know that millions of tiny humans lived on my hands. I'll never bathe again, because I might risk compromising those microscopic human beings whose lives are of value.

I for one, am highly offended by you saying this. How can you compare a sacred living thing to bacteria?



edit:

Originally posted by Silvershield
Male-female marriage is the tradition, is the precedent, in this country. And since we're talking about the laws of this country, that's all that is relevant, no?


Originally posted by Silvershield
Marriage existed as a sacred institution long before the laws of America were a twinkle in the Founding Fathers' eyes, or before Columbus even stepped onto his ship to seek the Indies; we as Americans did not invent marriage, and we cannot alter its character by declaring it an entirely secular insitution.


You're an idiot.



This was the last post before the old "I'm sort of a moderator but not really!" kicked in.

Discuss.
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Posted on 10-08-06 08:09 PM Link
Marriage exists in most or all religions, Marriage is a spiritually and legally binding agreement between two partners.
Separation of church and state is the first thing that comes to mind after reading this.
Just cut the religion out of socially abnormal Marriages. If it’s not religious then no one should have a problem with it unless they are discriminatory assholes that wish to push their religious values into laws.

does that sum it up?


(edited by Crayola on 10-08-06 07:10 PM)
windwaker

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Posted on 10-08-06 08:13 PM Link
Originally posted by Crayola

Just cut the religion out of socially abnormal Marriages. If it’s not religious then no one should have a problem with it unless they are discriminatory assholes that wish to push their religious values into laws.



That should sum it up, yes. However, I think psychologically, people like Silvershield (for example) know people who they respect (perhaps with good reasons) who don't like the idea of allowing gay marriage. Someone like Silvershield is intelligent, but instead of simply disagreeing with them, they have to come up with a way that sounds the least discriminatory, in their own mind, to discriminate against homosexuals. In this case, by saying "oh but it's tradition! Like slavery was-- I mean, tradition!"

There is no way to get through to these people, so you argue with them over the internet until they whine and end up using the wrong form of "there".
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Posted on 10-08-06 08:15 PM Link
Indeed quite sacred in this culture of ours.
windwaker

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Posted on 10-08-06 08:16 PM Link
Originally posted by ||bass
Indeed quite sacred in this culture of ours.

Hahahaha. This should be the end to all arguments based on "but it's sacred!"
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Posted on 10-08-06 09:59 PM Link
In absolutely all fairness, Silveshield was only presenting an argument and said that he really didn't care either way. He was playing the "Devil's Advocate" role and then you made it personal.

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Posted on 10-08-06 10:28 PM Link
I never really got this argument. It seems pretty obvious to me that legal marriage, and religious marriage are too seperate things. I see no reason why the government can't recognize the legal marriage of two men or two woman. And I see no reason why a religious organization would have to recognize it, or why they should be concerned if the government does. I'm sure God doesn't care about a piece of paper issued by the government, why should they?
windwaker

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Posted on 10-08-06 10:53 PM Link
Abortion was also a topic of discussion in the previous thread. I just didn't know what to put in the title.
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Posted on 10-10-06 09:48 PM Link
and who ruined marriage?

hippies, liberals and feminists.
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Posted on 10-10-06 10:01 PM Link
Technically? Augustine did.
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Since: 12-21-05
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Posted on 10-11-06 12:49 PM Link
Originally posted by geeogree
and who ruined marriage?

hippies, liberals and feminists.

Would you believe that I recently got called a "sexist pig" for holding a door open for one of the all above? =/

I miss the good old days of seperation between church and state. Sure, it didn't really exist, but it was something nice to look at all the same.
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Posted on 10-11-06 01:01 PM Link
Originally posted by geeogree
and who ruined marriage?

hippies, liberals and feminists.
And is there any good reason for that? I don't see how they would ruin marriage.

Besides, thoose groups of people seems to be irrelevant to marriages, unless you refer to the fact that liberals want to allow same-sex marriages which I see no problems with.

And why same-sex marriages would ruin marriages I never gotten a good and firm explanation on.

||bass: Haha, good point... and it's correct for other western countries too.
Originally posted by Metal Knuckles
Originally posted by geeogree
and who ruined marriage?

hippies, liberals and feminists.
I miss the good old days of seperation between church and state. Sure, it didn't really exist, but it was something nice to look at all the same.
We seperated for five years ago.

Even when the state and church was the same thing, relgion still had a very small influence on politics. Despite that Swedish people apparently visits churches often. Even some priests dosen't mind homosexuals. And yes, the protostantic church is a majority here too...


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Posted on 10-11-06 02:11 PM Link
Originally posted by ||bass
Indeed quite sacred in this culture of ours.

That was just priceless.
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Posted on 10-11-06 07:55 PM Link
The marriage issue is a classic example of people wanting to force everyone to their own viewpoints. How does it possibly effect you what some other people's marriage arrangements are? I'd be against it to if we were talking about forcing people to have homosexual marriages, but that is not the case. Worry about your own marriage and make sure its a good one, dont concern yourself with how other people choose to live their lives, so long as they are'nt interfering with yours.
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Posted on 10-12-06 10:43 AM Link
I just think that relationships are personal and when I first heard as a kid that same sex marriages were not allowed, I was pretty much like "why?". Same sex couples deserve the same rights other couples do. It's as simple as that. Aside from being recognized as married, such couples should be allowed to have the same benefits.(financial among others)

As some of you know, I am quite religious, but that doesn't mean I'm pigheaded, ignorant, or insensitive to such an issue. Quite the opposite. It's not our place as humans to judge others and we should support justice and freedom of lifestyle. That only leads to understanding, coexistence, and peace between peoples.

I find it also rather funny(and odd) that Spain, a nation with a religious background and culture(Catholicism and Islam being the top two religions) legalized same sex marriages when it became a Socialist nation in 2005 while France, a country with extremely secular views, has not done the same.
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Posted on 10-12-06 10:56 AM Link
Originally posted by emcee
I never really got this argument. It seems pretty obvious to me that legal marriage, and religious marriage are too seperate things. I see no reason why the government can't recognize the legal marriage of two men or two woman. And I see no reason why a religious organization would have to recognize it, or why they should be concerned if the government does. I'm sure God doesn't care about a piece of paper issued by the government, why should they?

civil union != religious marrage

why can people not get this

(i.e.: wtg, you win the internet for realizing it)
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Posted on 10-12-06 01:46 PM Link
Originally posted by Xkeeper
civil union != religious marrage

Are you saying that people that get married outside the church, such as atheists as well as same sex couples should be given civil unions instead of marriage contracts, or are you saying that by giving same sex partners legal marriage that it won't ruin the religious part of marriage. That latter is what I've been arguing since God knows when and most people don't seem to understand it. I not sure if there would be much complaining from same sex partners if every legal contract of marriage was renamed to civil union (I know for damn sure most heterosexual couples would flip a shit), but as long as there's a different contract legally for same sex couples and opposite sex couples then there will be a problem.
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Since: 11-17-05
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Posted on 10-12-06 02:35 PM Link
[quote = Xkeeper]civil union != religious marrage

why can people not get this

(i.e.: wtg, you win the internet for realizing it)



I have a post in the last topic that shows that religious marriage = sham.

Marriage was completely civil until 5th century AD.

If you want to seperate between religious marriage and civil union, why not just call one a religious marriage and the other civil marriage?
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Religion interfering with an institution of government: marriage, is wrong. Does an Athiest believe that God said marriage was between a man and a woman? Of course not, so why do Americans forget about this simple act of freedom when they strive so hard to be politically correct?
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Posted on 12-02-06 05:48 AM Link
While I commend your comment, please do not bump threads that have been inactive for almost two months
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