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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - World Affairs/Debate - Hastert still in as Speaker of the House? |
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Dr_Death16   970                   Since: 05-07-06 From: Iowa Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Despite scandal surrounding him concerning his mishandling of fellow Rep. Mark Foley, he's not giving up his powerful post yet. Politicians make themselves and all of government look bad with this sort of thing. So, what does everyone think? Is Hastert at fault for his handling of the situation, and should he resign from office? | |||
Rom Manic  Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I think it's disgusting nobody is being sued over Privacy issues regarding e-mail. Your IM logs are just as confident as his, and I doubt his hold a candle to some of ours on IRC and IM programs alike.
I'm not too sure on the situation regarding Hastert, so my position is neutral. I DO remember him saying he was not very pleased at all about the scandal, though. |
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||bass Administrator  Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I have to admit that Rom Maniac has a point. Whatever he said, it must stand back in AWE against the type of shit that goes on in our irc channel on a daily basis.
I browse /b/ on 4chan.... this type of shit is the least of our problems on the net. Everyone is a sick fucking freak. This guy just got caught. |
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MathOnNapkins 1100  In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I just don't see why Hastert should take the fall for what some other guy did... like even if he knew he didn't do anything wrong (in my eyes). The law is another matter. | |||
Young Guru Snifit  Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| From what I've heard about the issue I can't make a judgement on Hastert. It's all up in the air whether or not he knew anything about the messages that Folly was sending to the page. I just want to point out that Foley did a horrible thing and should be pressed to the fullest of the law. He almost missed a vote so that he could have IM sex with the kid, that's just fucked up. I mean, not only is he being negligent to his possition (which is punishable by law, or at least should be because it is if you're the CEO of a company and screw shit up by negligence), but he's having IM sex with and underaged boy, just wrong. And if Hastert knew about the later insident before it came out on friday then he should definately step down and face the punishment of aiding a criminal act. | |||
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Taking the fall for someone else's problems is just politics. Thats the way it works, sometimes *cough*Bush Administration*cough*
By the time elections roll in, this will be a comma (Kudo's to anyone who watched the Daily Show last night). |
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Dr_Death16 970 Since: 05-07-06 From: Iowa Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Young GuruThe whole problem was how Hastert handled the situation, though, and he admitted to doing a less than good job in doing so. Also, I made this thread on the understood premise that Foley was indeed a sick freak and that this fact was unrefutable, which is why I wasn't really even thinking about what we think about him, its a foregone conclusion. I'm just more worried about how Hastert is screwing things up in the House, because this looks a bit like explicit corruption (rumors have said to surface where Hastert knew about this Republican Foley's sick activities since 2003). |
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Young Guru Snifit Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| That's what needs to be determined, how much Hastert knew and when. He said that he knew about overly friendly messages sent by Foley in 2004, to which Hastert told Foley to knock it off. Now, I have no idea exactly what "overly friendly" means, and if that is all he knew then, well, he didn't really do anything wrong. If he knew of anything more, then he is an acomplist in my eyes. And I think it's interesting that Hastert said he first heard about it in 2004, but it came out a couple of days ago that he recieved knews of it in 2003. Now why would you lie about something like that unless you were trying to cover it up. I'm to the point where I think it's the responsibility of all politicians to prove that they are NOT guilty as opposed to assuming they are innocent.
An interesting thing I've heard some people say is that democrats might have had this information for a while and then held onto it till right before elections. I really hope this isn't true, but if it is that's worse than republicans trying to cover it up. Where as republicans are letting something continue to go on while protecting their own, the democrats would be using the misfortune of a young child as a weapon for improving their positions while letting the act continue. I really hope this isn't true but with politicians I wouldn't put it past them. All I can say to this, and just about everything else going on in american politics nowadays is BAH. edit: I need to clarify, I have no evidence to back up the previous paragraph about democrats holding onto this information for self improvement and everything I've heard is just speculation. It could just be republican sympathizers attacking democrats for all I know, but it could be true. edit 2: I just found one of the e-mail exchanges, and I think it is the "overly friendly" one because there was no actual IM sex, but it was more than just overly friendly in my book. I'm not gonna go into details, but the things that were discussed and stated by Foley were things that would make a parent beat down on someone for saying to their child (or would easily be filed as sexual harasement by any competant, and even incompetant, HR department at a company). If this is the e-mail that Hastert had back in 2004 then he should resign and should be held responsible for not exposing this earlier. If you want to see it, just google "foley e-mail" and it should pop up close to the top. (edited by Young Guru on 10-06-06 07:26 PM) (edited by Young Guru on 10-06-06 08:50 PM) (edited by Young Guru on 10-06-06 08:52 PM) |
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Jomb Deddorokku  Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| What I thought was ludicrous was when Hastert claimed it was all the Democrats and Soros fault. Like they somehow showed up and forced Foley to write IMs to this teen. I'm very sick of the people in power constantly trying to blame other people for their mistakes and/or hiding them.
I read that the messages were sent to the FBI way back in July, so it's not like Democratic Operatives were keeping this quiet till just now. If i came across such a thing and sent it to the FBI I'd figure that was the end of my responsibility in the matter. |
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Young Guru Snifit Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| So, Pat Buchanan offered his two cents of completely ignorant speech to this debacle, "Political correctness is to blame for all this," Pat Buchanan says. "We can no longer say what is true. Foley's behaviour was ignored because our Republican leaders were fearful of being accused of homophobia."
I totaly agree with Jomb in being completely fed up with those in power not being able to take responsibility for their errors. It's says quite a lot about our elected officials that their first reaction to anything is to find someone to blame for the problem. Why not be mature and instead of looking for someone to blame start looking for ways that you can fix the problem. Little question for anyone who cares to respond. Congressmen still want the page program to continue but if you were a parent would you ever let your child go off to be a page for a congressman? I know I wouldn't, but I probably wouldn't have let my child go even before this came about. I wouldn't want my children to have people like these as their role models. |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6310 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Rom Manic wow.... you make it sound like all bad political things happen under Bush... Jump off the "OMFG BUSH IS HITLER" train already |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Nah, sorry. That was a pretty worthless contribution geeog. | |||
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I think he was trying to point out how the Bush Administration hasn't take responsibility for anything yet and has just shoved all the blames onto others. | |||
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Or maybe how the Bush Administration is taking the fall for alot of things lately? | |||
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Dr_Death16 970 Since: 05-07-06 From: Iowa Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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This is eerily typical of this forum--began the topic of something completely unrelated to the Presidency (it's about one of those other braches of government-hint  ) and it ends up back on the same-old and boring Bush hating track.
*Dr_Death16 sighs |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I wasn't bashing, I was using them in a related reference to how in politics there is always a scapegoat for everything and in this particular case it is Mr. Hastert, and in previous threads (Like you have exemplified) it was the Bush Administration. | |||
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6310 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| the point I was making was that it seems like everyone feels the need to draw "Bush" into any political discussion and immediately that makes their point stronger and the opposition weaker. Eventhough this has NOTHING to do with Bush.
I have a question: Which part is worse.... the fact that the person involved was underage, or the same gender as the politician? |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite. Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| You got something against gays geeogree? | |||
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Dr_Death16 970 Since: 05-07-06 From: Iowa Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by geeogree...this thread isn't about Foley. We all know he's ridiculously sick and twisted. It doesn't matter what we think was worse. This is about Denny Hastert, who knew about what was going on and did nothing when he had the power to pull the plug on the freak years ago. So this question is all but irrelevant... ugh. |
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Jomb Deddorokku Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| "Which part is worse.... the fact that the person involved was underage, or the same gender as the politician?"
to me the worst part is that these teens are wards of the state and Foley is an authority figure supposed to be watching over them. |
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