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Which political area are you? See what applies to you.| Liberal |
34.8%, 8 votes | Conservative |
47.8%, 11 votes | Libertarion |
13.0%, 3 votes | Statist |
4.3%, 1 vote | Multi-voting is disabled. 23 users have voted.
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Deleted User Banned                 Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6296 days |
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| PLEASE!! NO FLAMING!! THIS IS A NEUTRAL POLL/THREAD!!!
I'm not voting... Right (Conservative) Conservatives tend to favor economic freedom, but frequently support laws to restrict personal behavior that violates "traditional values." They oppose excessive government control of business, while endorsing government action to defend morality and the traditional family structure. Conservatives usually support a strong military, oppose bureaucracy and high taxes, favor a free-market economy, and endorse strong law enforcement. Left (Liberal) Liberals usually embrace freedom of choice in personal matters, but tend to support significant government control of the economy. They generally support a government-funded "safety net" to help the disadvantaged, and advocate strict regulation of business. Liberals tend to favor environmental regulations, defend civil liberties and free exp to promote equality, and tolerate diverse lifestyles. Libertarian Libertarians support maximum liberty in both personal and economic matters. They advocate a much smaller government; one that is limited to protecting individuals from coercion and violence. Libertarians tend to embrace individual responsibility, oppose government bureaucracy and taxes, promote private charity, tolerate diverse lifestyles, support the free market, and defend civil liberties. Statist (Big Government) Statists want government to have a great deal of power over the economy and individual behavior. They frequently doubt whether economic liberty and individual freedom are practical options in today's world. Statists tend to distrust the free market, support high taxes and centralized planning of the economy, oppose diverse lifestyles, and question the importance of civil liberties. (edited by Coldspyll on 10-03-06 08:18 PM) (edited by Coldspyll on 10-03-06 08:18 PM) (edited by Coldspyll on 10-03-06 08:18 PM) |
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Rom Manic       Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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I would have to say, according to the facts given in the first post, I'm more Liberal than anything. But I agree with some parts of Libertarianism (As provided in the above post) as well, so Liberal Libertarian  |
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Deleted User Banned Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6296 days |
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| I talked to a guy at my work today about what he might be... He thought he was Liberal, but when he gave me the answers to the five basic questions. I told him he was a conservative.
1. Are you for same-sex marraiges? 2. Do you think it's wrong for the word "Jesus" to be used in public?(i. e. on billboards and such?) 3. Is abortion plain wrong or is it justified? 4. Are you for the war or hate it? 5. Should the government raise taxes to go to the poor and such, or should we be entitled to more of it ourselves? I thought these worked well to define what he was... he was a conservative Here's how he answered: 1: "No, I hate it" 2: "Nothing is worng with that" 3: "Depends if she was raped or not. If she was raped than it's okay to abort." 4: "I was for it;now I think it's pointless" 5: We should keep more for ourselves; it's their fault their poor." Those were his answers, so I thought he was more a "right wing" guy leaning more toward the center. (edited by Coldspyll on 10-03-06 10:13 PM) (edited by Coldspyll on 10-03-06 10:13 PM) (edited by Coldspyll on 10-03-06 10:14 PM) (edited by Coldspyll on 10-03-06 10:14 PM) (edited by Coldspyll on 10-03-06 10:14 PM) |
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Young Guru Snifit  Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I like question number 2 because basically it tries to implement both conservative and liberal views in one question. A liberal should say yes, it's okay, because of freedom of speech, but should say no if it's the government forcing religion on the people. A conservative should say yes because it supports relgion, but should say no because speech should be limited (basically an question that cannot decipher orientation).
I also like the response to abortion, why should there be a difference if rape was involved or not. I would either think it's murder or it's not, and depending on your view on the murder/not murder of the act should decide your response. I'd consider myself to be liberal, but mostly just upset with government and politics in general. The corruption in government (and bussiness) is absolutely appauling. I think it's interesting that there are very few universities that require ethics courses for business majors (and other majors as well). Those few schools that do get praised for doing it by reviewers of top academies because it appears that current business and political people have absolutely no sense of ethics. There are coverups for people sending explicit messages to 16 year old boys (not to mention the irony that this was perpetrated by someone who belongs to a party that condems homosexuality, but even if these messages were sent to a 16 year old girl they would still be abhorent) because the party doesn't want to lose control of the seat that that person holds in the House of Representatives. If I was in a situation to know that those messages were being sent, even if I was of the same party affiliation, I would have to call that person out on it. I couldn't look at myself in the mirror again for knowing that I let something like that slide. Sure, I'd probably lose everything that I had worked for by being black balled by all the other members of my party in the house, but at least I would know I still had morality. And I don't mean to imply that only republicans do this, this is definately present in the democratic party as well. This is why I say I have no respect for politics. I'll throw down my answers to those questions. 1. It is absolutely necessary for same-sex marriage to be allowed in the US. If we are to support the idea that all are created equal then we must allow those in the minority to live their lives without restraint from the state. And for everyone that says that same-sex marriage violates the sanctity of marriage, look at the number of divorces in this nation and tell me why you don't pass a bill that imposes a steep fine for those who get divorced, especially in the first year (except in the cases of abuse, then the marriage is violated by the one commiting the acts of violence). 2. There's no form of speech that cannot be tollerated. Jesus should be allowed to be spoken anywhere. Hell, it's so bad that people won't even say his name in public schools for fear of getting sued, but there's nothing forcing religion upon anyone just by saying his name. 3. Abortion is wrong. I do think that it is murder and that we shouldn't allow it (rape or no rape) 4. I'm against the war, always have been, always will be. I do think that we need to finish what we've started and leave Iraq in as a stable state. Once we went in and overthrew the government there we created a situation where we were obligated to fix the disaster that we created. As far as I'm concerned, we had a plan for how to defeat Saddam, but we didn't have a plan to create a stable state in Iraq, and as far as I know, we never have succeeded in nation building (except for Japan, but that war was justified and we occupied Japan for many many years, and that was the plan from the begining). 5. The government should raise taxes to support the poor. I cannot think of a situation where there should not be some social net to help those who are struggling and without jobs. I especially think that the United States has a responsibility to help impoverished nations as well, being the current worlds economic power. Back on point, I think that it is reprehensible to give breaks to those in the highest tax bracket because they "work harder" and "deserve" their money more. I have always agreed with socialism when it comes to helping those who are less fortunate in the nation. And for everyone that says that the people with the money would give their money to charity anyway, then they can still do that and get the tax breaks allowed from charitable donations. I think that all forms of giving are nice, but I think it's absurd when someone with 100s of millions of dollars wants everyone to look at them as a saint when they give 25,000 dollars to charity. Yeah, 25,000 is a lot, but not compared to what they have. Be like Warren Buffet and Bill Gates and start giving out those billion dollar donations if it's in your power. |
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sandrocklq Red Cheep-cheep  Since: 07-31-06 Last post: 6432 days Last view: 6432 days |
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| Yea, there's no way I could vote because by the definition, I have a little of everything except statist. I favor low government spending and taxes, I'm liberal on most social issues and the libertarian way intrigues me. | |||
Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I'm basically a very socially liberal Social Democrat which cannot really be represented in this rather limited political spectrum. | |||
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||bass Administrator  Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Someone has been having fun with the grossly innacurate automated poll at lp.org. | |||
Ailure Mr. Shine I just want peace...  Since: 11-17-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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I really love the choice of colors here.  Alright guess I am liberal. |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6310 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I am conservative, but I will say that there are very few people that fit any of those political viewpoints perfectly.
In all honesty, I find that I agree with the ideas of most sides, but the realist in me forces me to argue against some viewpoints because of the way our world currently is. |
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pikaguy900 Sparky Since: 08-10-06 Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Out of those questions, here's my answers:
1: No. 2: Of course not, just as long as you don't... you know, use it wrongly. 3: ABSOLUTELY WRONG! I hate it when people get abortions! An unborn child is still a child, and getting an abortion means you're commiting murder! 4: I hate war. I also hate people who don't know when to take our army out of a country to prevent a war. *thinks of Bush* (He's not a very good president...) 5: I'm all for the government giving money to the poor, but not if they raise taxes to do so. As if prices weren't high enough! So there you have it. Oh yeah, and I also hate our government. Why? They're greedy, they don't care about anyone but themselves, and they destroy families. Why, in the past few weeks, I've been reading that the government is taking parents away from their children because the parents are illegal immigrants, while the children aren't. There was even a case where a child was taken from our country and sent back to Mexico because he was an illegal immigrant. And his mom wasn't! She must've been heartbroken when that happened... Having a family member taken away by the government just because they don't like the people of Mexico coming here... That's just cruel. (At least, that's the way it looks to me.) I'm sure that people are going to argue with me here, but... Those are my thoughts on the government. |
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MathOnNapkins  1100  In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Why is it whenever I see someone start a thread this way and with all caps nonetheless, it only makes me want to actually flame and slap someone around? Also, who in their right mind would be a statist in this modern world? Basically seems to be synonymous with fascism, based on most definitions I've seen. Any fascists on this board? (the one vote so far is me and it was a joke )(edited by MathOnNapkins on 10-05-06 06:09 AM) |
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||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| 1: Don't give a shit either way. To be honest I think it's going to lead to a huge tax scam (straight guys marrying their roommates to save on income taxes) but then again the tax system needs some correction anyway.
2: I think it's a bit anoying but there's nothing morally WRONG about it. 3: I am pro-death in cases of abortion/execution/whatever. Even if it was a human life, I have absoloutly zero problem with ending 1 or 1000 human lives. 4: I am only against the war because it is expensive. If we could conduct the war for less money, I would be 100% for it. 5: Ultimately the money you earn should be yours to use. Anyone who disagrees should look up the verb "to earn" in the dictionary. |
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Young Guru Snifit Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by ||bass I just want to point out, you don't see to many men and women roommates getting married to scam taxes (at least I haven't heard of a gross amount of that happening, I'm sure it has happened some times). And I know enough people who aren't very homophobic but would never want to be considered homosexual and the thought of saving money on taxes wouldn't be enough to make them risk people thinking they were homosexual. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by MathOnNapkins Actually, there's plenty of people, angry first-world males mostly, within whose heads lurkes the idea that "if Nazis weren't so mean and didn't hurt so many people they would have been perfect." They tend to say things like "if you don't love it, you're free to leave" and rant about various groups whose lifestyles they disapprove of (feminists, gays, ethnics, atheists, the sexually promiscuous, vegetarians, etc) a lot. (edited by Arwon on 10-05-06 10:37 AM) |
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rubixcuber Mole  Since: 09-08-06 From: St. Louis, MO Last post: 6404 days Last view: 6404 days |
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| No one's voted Libertarian? Well, I'm going to! Hooray Libertarianism! | |||
Jomb Deddorokku  Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| After reading all the descriptions I think Libertarian defines me best, I'm all for the maximum possible amount of freedom for the people in all matters. | |||
Vyper Kodondo Raging Venom  Since: 11-18-05 From: Final Fantasy Fire Last post: 6313 days Last view: 6313 days |
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| 1. Are you for same-sex marraiges?
Personally, no. I believe homosexuality is wrong. However, I further support free choice. Do what you want. 2. Do you think it's wrong for the word "Jesus" to be used in public?(i. e. on billboards and such?) Of course not. Free speech. Duh. 3. Is abortion plain wrong or is it justified? I personally believe that abortion is wrong unless by rape and/or incest. Again, however, I further support free choice. 4. Are you for the war or hate it? For. Sadaam Hussein and Al-Queda (seperate entities) needed to be stopped. 5. Should the government raise taxes to go to the poor and such, or should we be entitled to more of it ourselves? I do not want taxes raised. I don't want my hard-earned money going to some slob who's too lazy to get off their ass and work. The bible says if you wanna eat you gotta work. And, being a Christian, I try to follow the bible. PS: If I had to lean any way it'd be conservative, but honestly I'm moderate. (edited by Vyper on 10-07-06 04:26 AM) (edited by Vyper on 10-07-06 04:26 AM) |
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Salmon Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-18-05 From: Norway Last post: 6311 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| Social Democrat, which means I believe in an active government to secure the welfare rights of the citizens, socialized medicine, public schools, etc, etc, all the while maintaining a controlled, but free market.
Now, if I were to answer these questions, which really are more suited for the current debate in American politics, and as such not so important for my political viewpoint: 1. Are you for same-sex marraiges? Yup, I honestly don't see why they should not be allowed to marry. All love is love, and all have the right to celebrate their love. (and for the cynics, given the economic advantages to marriage, it's just not right to block out an entire part of the people 2. Do you think it's wrong for the word "Jesus" to be used in public?(i. e. on billboards and such?) Nope, just as I don't think it's wrong for swearwords to be used in public either. 3. Is abortion plain wrong or is it justified? Personally, if a woman I had impregnated wanted an abortion, I'd want to sit down and talk to her about it. i'm not completely down with abortion, but I don't feel that it's right to push my moral code on others in such a life-changing situation as this, thus I am pro-choice, and I would also respect the ultimate descicion of the woman I had impregnated. 4. Are you for the war or hate it? I'm against it, always been against it. It causes more tension between the middle-east and the west, and thus increases the likelihood for violent clashes between westerners and arabs. 5. Should the government raise taxes to go to the poor and such, or should we be entitled to more of it ourselves? High taxes are needed in order to maintain the welfare state. Besides, what you pay in taxes aren't just lost, it is returned to you in form of necesarry public services. |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Like most sane people, I don't stick to either thing and it all boils down to what issue.
1. Are you for same-sex marraiges? Don't care. Marriage isn't religious, it's a government thing, not giving gay people the right to marriage but to civil unions is what we call "seperate but equal", and that really worked about fifty years ago, didn't it? 2. Do you think it's wrong for the word "Jesus" to be used in public?(i. e. on billboards and such?) I'm an athiest and I don't give a damn. If you want to belittle your savior, go right ahead. 3. Is abortion plain wrong or is it justified? Killing someone is never justified, but the thing is, it isn't someone by my standards until it could possibly live on it's own. So like, before 6 months? Don't care, after 6 months? Well... It really depends. 4. Are you for the war or hate it? It's all just a time sink in the end. If they'd told us what we were really doing there, then I wouldn't have minded, but they lied and kept lying about it. 5. Should the government raise taxes to go to the poor and such, or should we be entitled to more of it ourselves? With the current system of government, giving more money to anything is a waste of time. Donating to chairty groups who specialize is far more effective. If I had to lean... I'd be mainly libertarian, with some conservative ideas and some liberal ideas. If you remember the "Political Compass" thread from a while ago, it explains things much better than the original poster. http://www.politicalcompass.org/ (edited by Pvt. Prinny on 10-07-06 11:17 AM) |
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Silvershield  580  Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I would typically label myself conservative, though I've been reconsidering that habit for some time. My values seem to mesh more closely with the right, though I see a lot of the left in myself too, so I've begun to wonder.
1. Are you for same-sex marriages? I've never tied myself to a specific side in this issue. I really don't know what to say. I have no problem with gays but, at the same time, I understand that marriage was originally (and should still be) a sacred institution. Of course, as is often said, divorce and the absolute trivialization of marriage has kinda changed that, but does that mean that we should just throw our hands up in surrender and say "It's been ruined this much, why not go all the way?" I really cannot place myself on either side of this issue. 2. Do you think it's wrong for the word "Jesus" to be used in public? (i. e. on billboards and such?) What I think is wrong is when rappers (as an example, because they're familiar to most everyone, though that's not to say that other groups are not relevant) rhyme about promiscuity and greed and violence, and then have the gall to thank Jesus for their success and their lifestyles. Used respectfully, though, I can't see why "Jesus" should be off-limits. 3. Is abortion plain wrong or is it justified? It's plain wrong, no two ways about it. I sympathize with women who are undergoing a trying time in their lives, and I recognize their desire to "take the easy way out," but their actions do not just affect themselves. There is a distinct life that is utterly snuffed out just so that the mother can live more conveniently; it disgusts me. Now, is outlawing it the answer? Maybe, maybe not. If it were up to me, the first step would be to enact any number of programs that offer legitimate alternatives to abortion, and seeing what kind of impact that made. Illegalization would be an ideal, for me, if everyone followed it, but I don't know if that's realistic. Like I said, the first step would be to give pregnant women a real, tangible, desirable alternative to murdering their babies. 4. Are you for the war or hate it? I'm against war in general - being pro-life doesn't just mean anti-abortion, after all - but am not really politically aware enough to make a specific statement as to my opinion on this war. There is such thing as a just war, WWII being the oft-cited example, but I can't comment as to whether this is one of them. 5. Should the government raise taxes to go to the poor and such, or should we be entitled to more of it ourselves? Again, I'm not involved enough in the economic side of politics to account for all the possible repurcussions. From what knowledge I have, though, I can say that I find private charity to be more effective than what the government can do. Edit because it is apparently a crime to confuse homophones when typing quickly. (edited by Silvershield on 10-07-06 06:26 PM) |
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