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Deleted User Banned                Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6295 days |
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| Boortz totally hammered the poor...
He was mocking when he said this: (It's not an exact quote  )
"Let's use the money that we use for a light show (I guess there was some sort of light show) and give it to the poor!!" He was being a smart-ass when he said this... He said that the poor are in poverty in America because they put themselves in that position, with drugs, drinking, no education or laziness, and pre-marital sex. "Why should we give our hard-earn money to someone 'less-fortunate', better yet: let's just sell all the things we don't need and give the money to the poor!!!" ...again he was being a smart-ass. He continued with this... "If you dropped out of school it's YOUR fault you don't have any decent income, if you had sex and weren't ready for a child, it's YOUR fault!!! Don't get pregnant!!! Don't get someone else pregnant!!! Or you WILL have consequences!!! One guy called in and started talking about how Jesus would love the poor, and then Boortz cut him off saying: "Don't... Don't give me a bible lesson!!!! If you want to pamper the poor foir their own mistakes, then why don't you sell your things sir, and give it to the poor!!" ...and that guy was off the air. Basically, he hates it when people feel sorry for poorer people who he says have done it to themselves. What your thoughts on this subject from this radio show... Was he fair and right? ...or was he just hateful and wicked? ...I await interesting discussions.... |
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Dr_Death16   970        Since: 05-07-06 From: Iowa Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| In my experience, the rural poor are just as pathetic and to blame for their own state of life as your host proclaims. They did have the premartial sex, got into drugs and alcohol, got into trouble with the law, etc. and so at least that far he would be right. However, in the inner-cities, being poor is a born characteristic, so I can hardly blame an african-american child born to an impoverished single mother for his state of life. His chances of having a successful life are in that case small, and in that way the host was off-base. So it is about half and half depending on location and the place you were born into. As far as overall percentages, it would be more of 65% in my estimation as to how many of the impoverished were born into it and have no real power to change while the other 35% did it to themselves. | |||
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Originally posted by Dr_Death16 Wow!! that is totally interesting because I also wondered about a child being into poverty being justified or not. It seems that a child like that is actually helpless, and it is definently NOT his/her fault. That's where my heart is tendered for'em. You know what's funny? He actually didn't say anything about children being born into poverty. Too bad no one called him about that one huh? (edited by Coldspyll on 09-28-06 05:09 PM) |
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drjayphd Torosu OW! BURNY!  Since: 11-18-05 From: CT Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Meh, it's talk radio. I'm pretty sure Boortz has about the same credibility as Ann Coulter at this point. He's gotta be OUTRAGEOUS for the sake of getting ratings, and that's it. I'd take this with a whole salt mine.
Answering your question, hateful and wicked. I mean, I'm fairly certain not doing such things as having premarital sex or enjoying the crystal meth is going to be absolutely useless when it comes to bringing the jobs back to places like West Virginia. You know what's funny? He actually didn't say anything about children being born into poverty. Too bad no one called him about that one huh? I'm sure if anyone did, they wouldn't make it past the screener. No point in putting an argument on the air that you can't shoot down. |
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||bass Administrator  Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| See, this is exactally why I'm against government-run social welfare. It would be so much better if everyone gave to their local charities because a local charity ran by local people would know exactally who is genuinely disadvantages and who is a lazy freeloader looking for a free buck. Local charities have a small enough scope that they eventually learn everyone's life story and find out who genuinely had a hard lot and who brought it on themselves. | |||
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| I could somewhat see Boortz's point, but I think he went a tad too far... he sounded just plain hateful...
He said "...instead of trying to reward poverty, we should just boot them in the ass!!!" ...Just plain hateful to me....  |
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MathOnNapkins 1100  In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by ||bass I don't think I've ever agreed with you more ||bass. Just as long as they kept allowing rich people to Welfare creates an underclass that depends upon it... it's a crutch. If you give someone a crutch that is almost as good as a real leg, who needs the leg? (edited by MathOnNapkins on 09-29-06 05:47 AM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I think we went through the "American meritocracy is broken at the bottom end" debate a few weeks ago. Someone should go find that thread, I don't feel like repeating myself.
I'll also just add that ranting about welfare as a whole is dumb. The problem isn't welfare per se, the problem is welfare dependency and coming up with a system which minimises it. Different policies have had different degrees of success in balancing this need with the need to not implement overly harsh or unfair policies. Ay any rate, the problem of welfare dependency often gets misconstrued. It's a classic horse and cart mistake. Welfare dependency is a SYMPTOM of social problems, not a CAUSE of them. Disadvantaged communities are not in a bad way BECAUSE of welfare, but IN SPITE OF it. They'd be worse off without it, especially if you're gonna be relying on charities to foot the bill... funnily enough, there was poverty and suffering and social ills BEFORE modern welfare states. People who couldn't makte it just used to die in the streets or get abandoned in orphanages and suffer other Dickensian fates. Simple cure-alls like "hay lets get rid of welfare" ignore such realities. They ignore the fact that, in historical terms of "people getting a minimum level of social justice" and in terms of achieving a decent level of equality and social cohesion... modern redistributive welfare states have been, essentially, a success. Moreover, welfare expenditure consists of so much more than just the unemployment payments which people tend to focus on... in fact, in most decent welfare states u/e payments make up a smallish percentage of payments (6% in Australia, I believe), with things like family assistance, pensions, disability payment and veterans payments being a far larger chunk of the bill. Oh, and student welfare benefits, which, quite frankly, you can pry out of my cold dead hands, you fuckers. (edited by Arwon on 09-29-06 09:34 AM) (edited by Arwon on 09-29-06 09:40 AM) |
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rubixcuber Mole  Since: 09-08-06 From: St. Louis, MO Last post: 6404 days Last view: 6404 days |
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| I second, er third ||bass. I've been hoping for that for a long time. It's pretty much a pipe dream though. The government will never get rid of welfare. As far as Neal Boortz hammering poor people, I agree that it's probably just for ratings and shock value. Chances are he doesn't believe it, or at least not to the degree he seems to on the show. And if he does... well he's entitled to his own opinions, right? | |||
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MathOnNapkins 1100 In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Arwon, I will give you a personal example of why I think Welfare is broken in this country. My aunt has been on welfare for probably 20+ years. She's had 3 kids and 2 husbands, and has refused to get a real job in probably 20+ years. She claims its her inability to re-enter the workplace b/c she's been out so long. But c'mon, 20 years? Now lets look at reality, she's 50 some years old, still smokes pot, can barely afford to go out to eat, and is still practically unemployed. She lives in a shitty neighborhood full of crackheads and drug dealers (I know she occasionally sell weed herself). Now is she in this situation BECAUSE of the welfare system we have? Probably not, but I don't think it's merely a symptom. That's a cop out. It's has to be a contributing factor, otherwise you wouldn't see people linger in the welfare system so long. The welfare we have helps, but not in a constructive, rehabilitative way.
And this isn't just anecdotal evidence, I've heard many stories about people they know in very similar situations. People who just have no motivation to get up and better their lives b/c the government helps them get by without working (too much.) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Actually that is the definition of anecdotal evidence. At any rate, yeah, apparently that's an example of the welfare system not working very well. So the answer is to fix it. Babies and bathwater and all that. Unemployment benefits are the trickiest part of a welfare system to calibrate, because you need the right mix of benefits and incentives to actually get people into work while not screwing people who can't work--and let's just recognise that there are people who are essentially unemployable. A good welfare system actually involves requiring job-seeking as part of the qualification process, a certain numbers of applications each fortnight. The problem is, that sort of stuff is actually more expensive to set up and run--you need to train people and set up job seeking offices and install a system of verification with computers and ID numbers and so forth. It's cheaper and easier just to hand money out no questions asked. Or to just stand around criticising the whole system without offering productive solutions, because hey, who likes welfare bums? |
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Jomb Deddorokku  Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| "In my experience, the rural poor are just as pathetic and to blame for their own state of life as your host proclaims. They did have the premartial sex, got into drugs and alcohol, got into trouble with the law, etc. and so at least that far he would be right. However, in the inner-cities, being poor is a born characteristic, so I can hardly blame an african-american child born to an impoverished single mother for his state of life."
OK, so you are saying that a person born poor in the inner city is a victim, but a person born poor in the countryside is just a pathetic loser? It's exactly the same thing being born poor regardless of where you were born. How is it worthy of sympathy when a poor down-trodden black man in the inner city turns to hustling drugs and gang-banging, but its contemptable when a poor down-trodden hill-billy in the countryside turns to alchohol for solace? I find your statement somewhat racist. Being poor with few options to improve your lot in life is equally sad in the inner city or in the boondocks. |
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