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warr1or2
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Posted on 09-06-06 11:50 PM Link | Quote
how do I extract graphics from one sonic game and insert them into another sonic game?
im just starting out on hacking games but the only thing i know how to do is to edit the levels in certain games!!! (like the sonic games and the mario games)
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Posted on 09-07-06 12:29 AM Link | Quote
How about you go and get a tile editor, and read a tutorial like the rest of us. We are not here to teach you, only post when you are very stuck on something.
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Posted on 09-07-06 09:36 AM Link | Quote
Alright, what do you mean by taking levels from one game to another? I assume you mean other Sonic Games...
Esrael has a convertor that will convert Sonic 3&K savestates to Sonic 2 savestates on his site (its also part of one of the ESE versions), however, you'll have to take the tiles, 16x16s, 128x128s, and solidity data from the savestates by hand, compress them, and insert them into the ROM with a hex editor.
For Sonic 1 it's a bit harder... Esrael has a convertor that can convert the mappings, but the solidity data must be done by hand, and not every tile has a perfect match.
Games other than those Sonic games almost always will require you to redraw the graphics by hand in SonED.
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Posted on 09-07-06 03:55 PM Link | Quote
2 words... get SonEd2
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Posted on 09-07-06 04:41 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by TeRaByTe88
2 words... get SonEd2


No, get sonED 1 or esreal. hes a newb so working with sonED 2 might be hard for him since it deals with save states. I think that you should get one the editors I suggested and import levels from other roms. You'll have to work with them but you should get the hang of it.
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Posted on 09-07-06 06:33 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Tanks
Originally posted by TeRaByTe88
2 words... get SonEd2


No, get sonED 1 or esreal. hes a newb so working with sonED 2 might be hard for him since it deals with save states. I think that you should get one the editors I suggested and import levels from other roms. You'll have to work with them but you should get the hang of it.


I think you mean disassemblies, not savestates.
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Posted on 09-07-06 06:37 PM Link | Quote
I think SonED2 does have a solidity editor, but it can be a bit daunting for the newer hackers...
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Posted on 09-07-06 07:37 PM Link | Quote
i have a tile editor. i got tile layer pro, but finding the right tiles to edit is hard.
im trying to get the graphics from sonic 2 beta's hidden palace zone and put them into sonic 2 final.
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Posted on 09-07-06 08:16 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Tanks
Originally posted by TeRaByTe88
2 words... get SonEd2


No, get sonED 1 or esreal. hes a newb so working with sonED 2 might be hard for him since it deals with save states. I think that you should get one the editors I suggested and import levels from other roms. You'll have to work with them but you should get the hang of it.


Trust me...I tried all of these before and I had no idea on them...and as you know I am not a noob lol...
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Posted on 09-07-06 09:49 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by warr1or2
i have a tile editor. i got tile layer pro, but finding the right tiles to edit is hard.
im trying to get the graphics from sonic 2 beta's hidden palace zone and put them into sonic 2 final.


I'm sorry I can't give you a faq but I did figure out how to do that when I was a newb. It can be done easily with both editors. Keep at it and guess. I'm sure you can figure it out.
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Posted on 09-08-06 03:08 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Imajin
Alright, what do you mean by taking levels from one game to another? I assume you mean other Sonic Games...
Esrael has a convertor that will convert Sonic 3&K savestates to Sonic 2 savestates on his site (its also part of one of the ESE versions), however, you'll have to take the tiles, 16x16s, 128x128s, and solidity data from the savestates by hand, compress them, and insert them into the ROM with a hex editor.
For Sonic 1 it's a bit harder... Esrael has a convertor that can convert the mappings, but the solidity data must be done by hand, and not every tile has a perfect match.
Games other than those Sonic games almost always will require you to redraw the graphics by hand in SonED.


He didn't say levels, he said graphics. He said that he knew how to edit levels. Which means, his problem is TLP is too confusing.
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Posted on 09-08-06 03:13 AM Link | Quote
TLP is of no help in the subject, actually. The graphics are compressed, and even if they weren't, without the proper solidity data, they don't help at all.

This isn't really the best place to ask about this... Most people have little experience with the games. I'd suggest looking around S2Beta or the like. They know what they're doing in those games more than we do, especially since they focus on them.
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Posted on 09-08-06 11:12 AM Link | Quote
i know that you can change the graphics with a hex editor but the only thing i want to know is using a hex editor to find the graphics from sonic 2 beta's hidden palace zone, copy and paste it over sonic 2 final's hidden palace. i already have 2 hex editors. translhextion, and
Esrael Sonic Editor II.
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Posted on 09-08-06 07:00 PM Link | Quote
Check out hacking cult (sorry no url but if you google it, it should come up) It should have all the tools and some information that should help you along the way.
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Posted on 09-08-06 07:08 PM Link | Quote
To truly restore HPZ, you'll need to do several things.
Lazy method: (discouraged if you can do the better methods, but easiest)
1. Get a savestate of HPZ from S2Beta
2. Load a Sonic 2 ROM (make backups if you have stuff done already) in SonED on Hidden Palace.
3. Load the HPZ Savestate's 16x16, 8x8, and 128x128 data in SonED.
4. Save said data to the ROM.

So, now you have the GFX, but not the solidity. Sonic 2 Beta's solidity data will work on Sonic 2 I think (it might need to be compressed, I'm not sure). Put that in by hand and change the pointers.
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Posted on 09-08-06 07:37 PM Link | Quote
YOU GUYZ ARE DA FOOLZ
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Posted on 09-09-06 12:12 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by hahalosers
YOU GUYZ ARE DA FOOLZ AND I'M A DEUCHE BAG
Is it possible to just edit out his post and mine so I can fix my post to be relevant to the topic?
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Posted on 09-09-06 01:40 AM Link | Quote
You could just ignore his post too I hear it works wonders, but what do I know. I'm just staff ;-;
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Posted on 09-09-06 12:41 PM Link | Quote
think ill just mess around with a hex editor and see what i get and maybe ill find the stages in hex then copy sonic 2 betas hidden palace zone and paste it over sonic 2 finals hidden palace zone, or just turn it into a different stage. maybe ill mess with sonic 3, to find all of tails' actions in hex and add his abilities to fly and carry sonic to sonic 2 final and see what i get but where in a hex editor can i find the hidden palace zone in sonic 2 beta and final,
tails' ability to fly and carry sonic in sonic 3


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