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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - World Affairs/Debate - Minimum Wage |
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Wurl                  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6337 days Last view: 6337 days |
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| Question: Is minimum wage too high, too low, unnecessary, essential, ect.?
If not necessary, how will people survive with no guarantee to a livable wage? To what degree are employers responsible for the well-being of their workers? If necessary, to what degree should workers be paid? Is raising the wage too high more of a danger to workers, given employers will often resort to nations with out labor laws regarding worker safety or wage? Feel free to add more, but these are the main questions to be answered. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I'll add my shit later; I'm too tired to type it right now. |
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||bass Administrator    Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Minimum wage is a tricky issue with no easy solution. Too low and many Americans will be underpaid. Too high and companies will outsource their labor to third world nations and Americans won't have jobs at all. The trick is to strike a delicate balance. | |||
MathOnNapkins  1100  In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I think that there should be minimum pay brackets based on how much education you have. E.g. having a valid high school diploma or GED makes you look more motivated and educated than not having one, hence an employer should be willing to pay them a certain fair amount (Something close to the current minimum, maybe a little higher like $6.5.) Having a college degree could also be another bracket for a higher minimum. That would have a competitive effect since although college graduates could take a job at some minimum wage (say $8 / hr.) employers would be discouraged from hiring them in the first place and this would cause many college graduates to go seek better, more professional jobs. And I think people without any educational accredidation should have no minimum wage, this would encourage people not to drop out of school.
But seriously, even the wages I have listed are not really livable for someone who is single and living on their own, at least in my area of the nation. And we have a relatively low cost of living. What would be better is minimum benefits for certain education brackets, such as health insurance. (edited by MathOnNapkins on 08-15-06 01:50 AM) |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I think the best way to handle minimum wage is to pin it to the inflation rate, automatically adjusting every two years of so. | |||
sandrocklq Red Cheep-cheep  Since: 07-31-06 Last post: 6432 days Last view: 6432 days |
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| That's a good point. Minimum wage adjusted for inflation is way too low if you compare it to the 1980s. | |||
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Xkeeper Took the board down in a blaze of glory, only to reveal how truly moronical ||bass is. Since: 11-17-05 From: Henderson, Nevada Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Minimum wage should be more than enough to provide covering the CoL and a small amount of profit.
Of course, lately, it´s been coming dangerously close to the ´just barely´point of the CoL. |
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sandrocklq Red Cheep-cheep Since: 07-31-06 Last post: 6432 days Last view: 6432 days |
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| And that usually refers to the cost of living for one person. A family with three kids is not going to get by on one minimum wage job. Three. Maybe. | |||
Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I personally believe in a high minimum wage. To put it quite simply, the cost of living shot up on steroids a while back, making houses and affordable living a big burden to overcome. Not only that, how the fuck are these people supposed to commute with the intense gas prices?
For the overall benefit of society, I believe a higher minimum wage will establish a better society, and give people (By this I mean impoverished people) more incentive to work, and be productive for the economy. |
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Sakura Secret! Since: 11-30-05 Last post: 6366 days Last view: 6336 days |
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Originally posted by Rom Manic Public Transportation. Though, sadly, America probably won't ever implement a good method of it. As someone else once said, we're too attached to our cars  |
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Jomb Deddorokku  Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| I think minimum wage is essential, it should protect us from ending up like we were way back at the beginning of the industrial revolution when the factory owners paid out pathetic wages from back-breaking labor, and people ended up working 16 hours days to get by, plus had their children doing the same.
The best idea i heard is tying the minimum wage to inflation, because right now you hear shit like "minimum wage is higher than its ever been, quit bitching!", but what they dont say is that although technically it is higher, when you look at how far the money goes, it does'nt make it nearly as far as it used to, due to inflation. Personally i have no trust what-so-ever in big business or corporations to do the right thing by their workers. I think if they could get away with it they'd pay the workers far less than minimum wage. Maybe there should also be a maximum wage 
If we got some kind of universal health care for all our citizens, then minimum wage would be less important. I know many people who have no health care and never see a doctor for anything because they simply cant afford it. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Fire Alexa You're right, if people thought about it public transportation is a good idea for inner city travels. I'm talking about the people who make the one hour commute to another city, like from a small town or villiage to a metropolis. My dad did that for 15 years working at a plane manufacturing plant called Mcdonell Douglas, back and forth from Toronto to Barrie every day, so we could get by. Now, he had a big wage (More than 30 dollars an hour $CDN), but when you relate that people that make minimum wage, and add the newer costs of gas...It's just too much, don't you think? Originally posted by Jomb Well, look at Canada. We don't have to pay for our healthcare system by buying insurance policies, we pay for it through our taxes. And yes, it's still in the end like paying for having a healthcare policy, but the point is we don't have to worry about never having it or not paying for it because it's directly subtracted from our income. It's like having a guaranteed policy on your well being, for life, guaranteed (Unless you leave the country, then you buy foreign medical insurance). What makes it awesome is that even though some people don't have a wage, they are still entitled, as canadian citizens, to have free access to hospitals in their times of need if they have a health card, which is free anyway. So how does that relate to the Minimum Wage debate at hand? Not much really, except people will be able to afford health insurance, even at a basic level. The only problem is that insurance companies start taking statistics into account on their pricing, and that can cause a problem for kids my age. Because most kids 19-25 drive their car faster and crazier, I have to pay $3000 CDN to be the principal driver, because I MIGHT fall into that category of driver. And so, when more people are able to afford this insurance, how will that affect the pricing? Like some genious said, every action has a reaction. |
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windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6325 days Last view: 6303 days |
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Originally posted by sandrocklq Minimum wage would be over seven dollars if it had been raised according to inflation (since the last time it was raised). Raising it to seven dollars, federally, wouldn't do anything. There is no argument against this at all, most states already have it at seven dollars, and even those that don't have much of the lower class being paid that already. |
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NSNick Gohma IF ALL ELSE FAILS USE BOOZE  Since: 11-17-05 From: Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6297 days |
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Originally posted by windwakerOriginally posted by sandrocklq I know Ohio has their minimum wage at $5.15, which I believe is the federal minimum, though I don't know how many other states are that low. |
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Randy53215 Melon Bug Since: 11-17-05 From: Greenfield, Wisconsin (U.S.A) Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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I think Wisconsin's is at $5.75 if im not mistaken. Where I work I make $6.50 and even after I have been there after a year and a month. I never got a raise.  But yeah I think it should be highe, maybe like $7.75. |
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sandrocklq Red Cheep-cheep Since: 07-31-06 Last post: 6432 days Last view: 6432 days |
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| Not getting a raise after being with one company for a full year is not a good sign. | |||
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windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6325 days Last view: 6303 days |
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Originally posted by sandrocklq Especially if it's a large company, like McDonalds or Wal-Mart; one that could easily afford to give loyal employees a raise. |
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Randy53215 Melon Bug Since: 11-17-05 From: Greenfield, Wisconsin (U.S.A) Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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My manager discriminates, and only "awards" people that kiss her ass. Im not gonna be one of those people. 
But, back on topic... With the price of everything going up because of inflation, minimum wage should go up as well. |
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sandrocklq Red Cheep-cheep Since: 07-31-06 Last post: 6432 days Last view: 6432 days |
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| "Should" is the operative word. If anything, at least a slight raise is needed to keep up with the gas prices although I'm gueessing the majority of people making mimimum wage, don't have cars of their own unless they work two jobs. | |||
Dr_Death16  970 Since: 05-07-06 From: Iowa Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Minimum wage goes against some laws of economics, mainly that supply and demand should determine price in a market, not price floors, and that government should have as little effect on any economy as possible. Price floors usually result in two things, shortages of jobs, and the black market, in this case paying illegal immigrants or etc. considerably lower wages in return for a place in the country. Another example is the outsourcing of jobs, but that's another topic altogether. | |||
Trax Red Tektite Since: 05-01-06 From: Québec Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Fundamentally, I think minimum wage should be always set to a level of "decent living", based on a calculation of average expenses...
Pining the minimum wage to inflation rate is a good idea at the surface, but it's still "managing problems", instead of solving them. Since inflation is already a problem (that IS solvable by unordinary means), you can't think of solving a problem if it's based on another problem. This said, you must solve inflation, THEN minimum wage... Inflation occurs mostly because the current monetary system doesn't prevent banks from creating money from thin air. This has the same effect as counterfeiting. Banks inject new money in the system without any product or service that corresponds to the augmentation of credit. This, by definition, causes inflation... In addition, most of this money is added via bank loans, which means that you must also repay the bank, plus compound interests, with money that comes from your hard work. Remember, the bank, on its side, created the loan from nothing. Globally speaking, it means that the loans can't possibly be repaid completely, because money is created for the loan, but not for the interests. To paid those interests, the only way is to borrow more money, which leads to an endless vicious spiral... |
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