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||bass Administrator                   Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Forgive my ignorance of task-switching in OSX but I'm a bit hard-pressed to imagine something quicker and easier than alt+tab, espically with the modified system where alt+tab now gives little window previews and everything. Please enlighten me, seriously. | |||
Tarale    2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata   Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Depending on how you have Exposé set up, you can activate a number of different views allowing you to switch applications.
It can be set up with keyboard shortcuts, or with "hot corners" of the screen, or if you have a Mighty Mouse you can also set it up with specific mouseclicks. One view is where it shows all open applications on your screen... 
You can do the same thing with only the windows of one particular application. You can also have it so all the windows disappear so you can see and access your Desktop... 
Of course, you can always Cloverleaf-Tab like a Shift-Tab 
But that last one's not a feature of Exposé, and I find Exposé far better at finding me the actual window I want. And I have a lot of confidential stuff open at the moment, so you're only getting small gif files, for now to demonstrate 
Exposé has been a feature of Mac OS X since October 2003. I've noted that Microsoft did something vaguely reminiscent of it at a Microsoft technical meeting / demo I went to showcasing Vista. (edited by Tarale on 08-19-06 02:39 AM) |
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||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| The cloverleaf+tab screenshot looks basically the same as alt-tab in windows except without the little window previews that the newer alt+tab has.
The "make all the windows go away" has been a feature of XP since it came out. The multi-desktop, keyboard shortcuts, hot corners, and/or mouse command to move windows/switch desktops is available with several applications including LiteStep. The only difference being that Expose comes with OSX and the windows end requires you to go online, do a 10 second google search, download a 1 to 5 meg file and spend 5 minutes installing it. After about 5 minutes of effort, essentially identical for anyone with an IQ over 12. |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by ||bass Now that was completely uncalled for! Insulting the intelligence of Macintosh users isn't helpful. |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I'm not sure I understand the issue here. If you think your OS is the best one available, then keep using it. Why be concerned with what OS other people are using?
That guy getting beat up over Linux, though, gave me a pretty good laugh. It just made me imagine a school full of incredibly violent nerds. |
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Rydain Sir Kibble Blaze Phoenix Runs with the Dragon Within  Since: 11-18-05 From: State College, PA Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I'd like to elaborate on the consistency aspect of the OS X interface that Tarale mentioned. Applications that follow Apple's interface guidelines have their menus set up similarly and feature a full set of similar keyboard shortcuts. I didn't realize how useful this was until I started doing more with the keyboard and less with the mouse, and I got so aggravated by the incomplete and inconsistent mishmash of lololol shortcuts that I used Camino instead. (Later on, the OS X build of lololol was updated with shortcuts more in line with Apple's guidelines, so I switched back. I missed my extensions, and Camino has some quirks that get on my nerves.) | |||
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||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by TaraleUhhhhh.... I wasn't? Though you're definately tempting me to start. I'm reading that sentence over and over and the only thing I can say is that you have a very interesting system of logic because nowhere there is anything said to insult Mac users. Now that you've accused me of this though, I think I'm owed an explination as to how, under your system of logic, the idea that any moron could change his Windows setup to work just like all those Mac shortcuts you described as being insulting to Mac users.Originally posted by ||bassNow that was completely uncalled for! Insulting the intelligence of Macintosh users isn't helpful. |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by ||bassOriginally posted by TaraleUhhhhh.... I wasn't? Though you're definately tempting me to start. I'm reading that sentence over and over and the only thing I can say is that you have a very interesting system of logic because nowhere there is anything said to insult Mac users. Now that you've accused me of this though, I think I'm owed an explination as to how, under your system of logic, the idea that any moron could change his Windows setup to work just like all those Mac shortcuts you described as being insulting to Mac users.Originally posted by ||bassNow that was completely uncalled for! Insulting the intelligence of Macintosh users isn't helpful. I took your implied meaning to say that any "moron" should just do what you described in Windows rather than use the Macintosh -- and as an extension of that that maybe you feel the Macintosh users must be stupider (or maybe lazier) than those "morons" as they need their OS to do the work for them. Do we really need to bring IQ into an argument about computers anyway? As far as I can tell, it's not relevant and only serves to be insulting. I know plenty of very intelligent people who wouldn't be able to do as you described (at least without help). Does that mean they have an IQ of less than 12? No, it means that they've prioritised other things more highly than learning about computers. Perhaps I am a little touchy though considering that this is the second time a post has been made that insults users' intelligence. You were able to explain most of the first with some background information not given in the original post (although just by itself "it's not that hard" still implies a negative). At any rate, I'd prefer to see less commentary on people's intelligence. As for what you described, while I could install that at home, I cannot install it at work -- where it would be more useful. Besides, my main home PC is currently trying its hand at being a lump of Engrish and Useless ("the Bios are not be install. Check Device!!!") so until I can be bothered fixing it I doubt that install will work. |
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||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Why don't I just do this similar to something a mad libs game since that's what it seems like.
I like lemonade. ___________________. Feel free to fill in the blank with anything you might like to take offence at. Because that seems like how you've been taking every one of my posts. General point of advice: If I didn't actually type it out explicitly, it's not there. I don't make implicaitons, if I'm going to say "Y is a moron." or "I like Z." Then I'll actually type "Y is a moron." and "I like Z." On to the matter of user intelligence. Considering how you mentioned having worked in technical support before, you of all people should realize that the average user that calls tech support is just barely sentient enough to be able to wipe his or her own ass without outside assistance. It's a simple fact of life: Your regular average Joe is very VERY stupid. |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by ||bassI happen to disagree that all the people who call me are stupid. They are inexperienced, and computer illiterate, and some of them clearly wish to put absolutely zero effort into learning anything about computers or resolving their computer problem, but I'm pretty sure they're not "stupid". I also know that in my home life, when my de-facto step-father asks me for computing assistance it's not because he's stupid. In fact, he is one of the smartest people I know. He's just prioritised study/research on Health Sciences and Human Nutrition over learning computers. He might not know a whole lot about computers, but he knows a lot about Fish Oils, Dietary Fats and a whole lot of other health things. He knows enough computer stuff to get by with what he needs to do, most of the time, but as he wouldn't be able to install that thing you mentioned, he's apparently a "moron". Frankly I just get the impression that you seem to frown down upon those who do not prioritise a level of computer competency in their lives. I might deal with stupid questions pretty much every working day, but I certainly don't think that most of my callers are stupid. They have other skills and knowledge that they excel at, computers is just not one of them. This said, it reminds me that there is a level of "fear" about computers even amongst intelligent people. I've seen it recently amongst my colleagues. We have recently acquired an iMac at work, which I am responsible for the setup / maintenance / training / etc for, and I am quite horrified to see that many of my colleagues seem to be afraid to try to learn anything about the Macintosh, perhaps because it's unfamiliar or something. I've told them that it won't bite them and that they're unlikely to break it.... but thus far, only three of my colleagues have been willing to really have a look at the Macintosh (and one of them wants to spend all his time in the Terminal at a bash prompt rather than look at the stuff he'll need to support for end-users). I suspect many stupid questions we get from clients come out of fear (that they'll break something I guess) and a lack of confidence, rather than actual stupidity. Often I find that clients are capable, but need to be reassured. |
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||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Unwillingness to learn is the same thing as stupidity. Smart people will put their best effort into learning as much as humanly possible about every subject they can possibly think of. I'm not even studying to work in computers. I may be majoring in computer science but only because I think it's an easy major. The only reason I'm doing it is because you have to have a college degree to even be considered for acceptance into law school. I could just as well be majoring in physics or history. I'm actually studying to become a lawyer, computers are just a hobby and always will be. Furthermore, to be honest, if I had an extra $150,000 laying around, I would get as many majors as I could in as many subjects as I could think of. Truely SMART people should be happy and willing to learn everything they can about every topic they can. Computers may come easily to be, but I'm no less interested in history, music, philosophy, and chemistry. Just because I major in what I'm good at doesn't mean that I don't spend most of my free time studying other subjects, I do. I actually spend about 60% of my freetime reading wikipedia articles, for no other reason than to learn as much as I can about everything. | |||
windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6325 days Last view: 6303 days |
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Originally posted by ||bass No it's not, but even if it was, by your own logic... |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by ||bass By your logic Einstein was a complete moron. |
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Koneko Plasma Whisp  Since: 11-17-05 From: Tartarus. We get faster internet than you. Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Wow.
Specialization is the same thing as stupidity? I never knew. More seriously, if everyone was "smart" as ||bass defines it, then everyone would spend a lot of time reinventing the wheel. This is wasted effort that ould be spent increasing the knowledge base from which others learn. A community of people who all know the basic tenets of every subject ever has far less knowledge than a community of people who are all experts at different subjects. This is a choice that has to be made because of limitations based on the amount of time available to each person. You can't know everything about everything by yourself, because there isn't enough time to study it. So if you decide to learn as much as you can about every subject, even those you have little to no interest in, you will be far less able to reach an expert level of knowledge in any of those fields, let alone all of them. This doesn't apply to truly smart people, of course. Because to be truly smart, you need to have such an incredible rate of learning that in one lifetime you can become an expert in every subject, nay, extend the amount of knowledge available in every subject. ||bass, you are the only truly smart person I have ever met. Thank you for teaching me what I should strive for. Even more seriously. I actually do agree with part of what you're saying. It's good to have a thorough understanding of many subjects, because specialized knowledge in a vacuum is extremely dangerous. Still, I hold that with the variety of learning you advocate, the human community would never learn anything new, despite the apparently high amount of knowledge in each individual person. Still more seriously. I am greatly amused by how suddenly and totally we have abandoned the original topic. |
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Trax Red Tektite Since: 05-01-06 From: Québec Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I can realize that PCs and Macs both have their share of Ups and Downs, yet I can't stand when someone utters outright lies about any given characteritic...
For example, how many times I heard from PC-users that PCs are easier to open (physically) ? It's not just a question of perception, it's plain false. At least since the G3, Macs can be opened by the push of a button and a few plastic clips, while I still see PCs that are bolted. Oh yeah, I get it, they only think about iMacs and such... Is it true that PCs are easier to program ? Well, depends of what "easier" means in that precise case. Assembler had been easier on Mac since at least 20 years, Motorolas and 68000s had less instructions and were proportionately faster. That's discutable, but it still pictures what I call "lies by ignorance" we can see with some people... Still, with Mac OS X, anyone with basic programming skills and/or good will can program anything on a Mac. The Cocoa framework is particularly easy, clear to understand, very well documented and easily expandable. OpenGL is very easily integrated to the XCode programming environment. Add to that Core Graphics, Core Image, Core Animation, an excellent integration of Unicode support, and you've got quite a good programming library... Not to forget the Universal Binaries, which is yet another step toward better computer compatibility... |
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||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Well... OK. Everything Trax said is correct. I have no counterpoints to offer.
Now for my 2 cents on the same topic: Neither OS has a big advantage in terms of ease-of programming IMO. Java is good for anything that doesn't require lightening speed. There are plenty of good C/C++ libraries for every platform. Most of the available unix libraries (including MONO) are either easily ported to, or are already available for, OSX. Vonsidering how OSX is essentially a very pretty looking and user friendly version of FreeBSD (which, I have to admit, actually is quite an achivement considering how BSD is generally a pain in the ass) this comes as no surprise. |
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drjayphd Torosu OW! BURNY!  Since: 11-18-05 From: CT Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by ||bass What version of Windows are you using? I just get the icons in XP. (I'm guessing you're using Vista... and my brother's said and shown nothing of that sort with his betas.) As far as the last point (before the IQ bit), why would you do that unless you absolutely had to have Windows set up that way? I'll bet the vast majority of end users wouldn't do that. Of course, we all know you have some... uh... interesting ideas. |
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emcee Red Super Koopa Since: 11-20-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by drjayphd It's one of the "powertoy" addons you can download from Microsoft's site. |
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||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by drjayphdTo be honest, I have no idea. I don't use the default windows shell to begin with. I was just offering a counterpoint. |
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