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Arwon Bazu                   Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| Everyone is trying to get to the bar.
The name of the bar, the bar is called Heaven. The band in Heaven plays my favorite song. They play it once again, they play it all night long. Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens. Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens. There is a party, everyone is there. Everyone will leave at exactly the same time. Its hard to imagine that nothing at all could be so exciting, and so much fun. Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens. Heaven is a place where nothing ever happens. When this kiss is over it will start again. It will not be any different, it will be exactly the same. It's hard to imagine that nothing at all could be so exciting, could be so much fun. Heaven is a place where nothing every happens. Heaven is a place where nothing every happens. |
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witeasprinwow  Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6405 days Last view: 6405 days |
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| I'd just like to point out that the idea that you would have to socialize with boring people in Heaven, or the idea that you could socialize with other people in Hell, is totally unfounded. Hell is never described except as a place of great misery, and Heaven is never described except as a place of utopia.
If there is a Hell, most likely you are isolated in your own part of it, with no-one to interact with for all eternity. Social interaction could bring about something good, which is not a part of Hell. (edited by witeasprinwow on 08-02-06 05:01 PM) |
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Kingpin Since: 11-21-05 From: Amarillo, TX Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Another common misconception is that Satan rules over hell, when in fact he will suffer just like everyone else in hell. | |||
ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6488 days Last view: 6488 days |
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| Meh, its not a misconception. It is a theological standing. It really depends on when and where the belief is. English poet John Milton really brought it to its logical apex of Satan's freedom "it is better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven". I think it is almost a perfect stance on Satan's humanity. Dante, on the other hand, offers that Satan is a traitor to one's master (the greatest of all sins according to the political beliefs of the time). He suffers the greatest of anyone in Hell for betraying the most perfect master of all. Ultimately for Dante Satan is a theological theme, it is an extension of orthodox Catholic theology (for terms of what is modern). Whereas Milton's Satan is an iconic character that is almost sympathetic and all too human. | |||
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6405 days Last view: 6405 days |
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| I don't recall the Bible ever really going into the details of Satan; only that he exists.
If there is some basis for Paradise Lost / Dante, please let me know, but I'm pretty sure those are outside the canon of most denominations. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I think going to heaven is another name for ascension. We all "apparently" have a soul, but yet our machines and our own eyes even cannot see it.
What logical explanation can be made from this? Someone said it exists, so somehow it must be real (Not sarcasm, it just looks like it). MY explanation (And this is what I've told many people who get confused about heaven and hell) is that we vibrate on a certain level, as do most things in the physical world. Our molecules move just as fast as the table you're probably sitting at, or the glass of water in your tap. That is vibration. So what if our physical bodies and souls are not much unlike the Jaffa and the Goa'Uld on Stargate SG-1? What if we are just shells protecting something much more valuable? Something that grows with us, learns with us, shares our feelings....Essentially is who we are, but something different at the same time. So the heaven and hell thing...At most, hell and heaven are 2 different planes of existance, possibly operating on the same vibration level, but might be different levels entirely (Referring to the "Going up to heaven" and "Going down to hell" thing). Some might think this as anti-semetic or whatever, but look at the facts. The people who witnessed the events depicted in the bible were barely able to understand the concept of a hammer, let alone cosmic vibration levels. The best way "God", whoever he may be, must have been "Going up to heaven for doing my will, or you get the banhammer all the way down to hell". ...Yeah...Thats my best explanation by scientific means...Anyone else have a guess? |
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6488 days Last view: 6488 days |
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Canon, theology, and popular belief are quite different. 
You're Catholic educated, you should know about the diversity of beliefs that the Church harbours as well as the historical difference that has existed in the Church's variety of beliefs. |
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6405 days Last view: 6405 days |
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Originally posted by ziffhasnoaim/password Acceptable answer 
I was made to read Paradise Lost in high school, but never read Dante. All I know is that he's responsible for the levels or circles of Hell that you hear about. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by ziffhasnoaim/password Who do you mean? I'm a Greek Orthodox Christian, FYI. |
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6488 days Last view: 6488 days |
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| That is somewhat debateable. The idea of Spheric worlds exists all over Christian and Middle-Eastern theology. The Muslim "Hell" that was written about in the Middle Ages was spheric. Those Muslims and their crazy idea of agent intellects. But that is neither here nor there.
The way I look at it...I'll see most people in Hell. You know, for a full eternity. I just hope that they die for me so that they suffer an eternity and however longer more than I. |
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Schweiz oder etwas [12:55] (Dr_Death16); I swear, the word drama needs to be stricken from the dictionary, for I've heard it so many times, it will permanently be imprinted on my brain  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kingston, Rhode Island Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| So where does the first commandment stand in all of this? I mean, it's pretty cut-and-dry: Don't believe in any deity but God. But people who don't believe in God are breaking the first commandment: "Thou shalt have no other gods", etc. Do the Ten just not apply to certain denominations? | |||
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Young Guru Snifit  Since: 11-18-05 From: Notre Dame, IN Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I've heard that commandment interpreted many different ways. One of which is that if you are aware and believe in God (meaning, not just someone telling you that there is one God, but that you understand it and really believe it) you shall not worship any other god.
There's also the idea that if you live a good life you are infact worshiping God by doing his will of loving one another. Also, it could be viewed as don't worship unimportant things like money, material posesions, etc. That's what I have to say about that. |
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6405 days Last view: 6405 days |
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Originally posted by Grey They apply more to beliving Christians than those who don't believe, in a way. Accepting Christianity means you accept rules that come with it. Those who find another set of rules aren't necessarily breaking the rules out of maliciousness, but simply because they do not recognize Christianity. Again, I am not defending Fundamentals who take every word literally. |
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Silvershield   580  Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I can't help but be utterly stunned whenever someone proposes that he will be able to somehow "make the best of" Hell, should he end up there. As if there's some sort of loophole.
Or, conversely, when a person imagines how boring Heaven must be, because it's full of stuck up, goody two shoes saints, and angels flying around playing harps. Does nobody here have the capacity to think in abstractions? Surely, if Heaven and Hell exist, the forms that they take are far beyond the realm of human comprehension. |
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drjayphd Torosu OW! BURNY!  Since: 11-18-05 From: CT Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by witeasprinwowOriginally posted by MathOnNapkins Actually, it's kinda funny you say that... doesn't it look something like this?
But yeah, unless someone comes back and can tell us what heaven or hell is like, and prove they're right, we'll never know. It's for you to decide. Kind of like if you prefer ten commandments or just one.  (edited by drjayphd on 08-03-06 05:01 PM) |
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Jomb Deddorokku  Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| Does Lucifer rule over hell? Is there even such a place? I dont believe it for a second. That's why i was joking about it earlier.
I read somewhere, a long time ago, that the names Lucifer, Satan, etc. were names they used because they happen to be the same names as some of the deities the people were worshipping at the time outside of christianity (the pagans), and they selected those names to basically smear the name of the pagan's gods and try to convince them that their gods were evil and they needed to switch to christianity. Also as justification for persucating against these pagans (its easy to make people hate a group of people who obviously "worship the devil") (edit- i remember now that the same source said that lucifer as depicted in the drawings of the time was intentionally made to resemble a certain Greek/Roman deity for the same reason) (edited by Jomb on 08-03-06 07:43 PM) |
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C:/xkas bio.asm Compiled ASM code  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| according to dictionnary.com:
lucifer 1: The archangel cast from heaven for leading the revolt of the angels; Satan. 2: The planet Venus in its appearance as the morning star. 3: lucifer A friction match. 4: (Judeo-Christian and Islamic religions) chief spirit of evil and adversary of God; tempter of mankind; master of Hell [syn: Satan, Old Nick, Devil, the Devil, Lucifer, Beelzebub, the Tempter, Prince of Darkness] 5: lighter consisting of a thin piece of wood or cardboard tipped with combustible chemical; ignites with friction; "he always carries matches to light his pipe" [syn: match, friction match] 6: brilliant star, a title given to the king of Babylon (Isa. 14:12) to denote his glory. 7: Lucifer, bringing light [Middle English, from Old English, morning star, Lucifer, from Latin Lcifer, from lcifer, light-bringer : lx, lc-, light; see leuk- in Indo-European Roots + -fer, -fer.] look at the seventh one, this could definitely be a deity name. I also believe if Luci- was a prefix for light, since a few french word use it for stuff related to light(lucide, luciole etc.) (edited by Bio.exe on 08-03-06 09:37 PM) |
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6405 days Last view: 6405 days |
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Originally posted by Jomb Christmas was also selected to it's current day because it shared a holiday with a Roman god, to try and make Christianity more appealing and to discourage the Romans from feeding them to the lions. Didn't work very well, it seems. But if you don't believe in hell... Then why are you in this thread? It says "if there is a hell" right at the top (edited by witeasprinwow on 08-03-06 09:53 PM) |
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6488 days Last view: 6488 days |
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Originally posted by Silvershield I like abstracting the unknown into something that is humorously common, yet would be such a bizarre and alien circumstance |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I think I got that one covered in my post, ziff . Unless I misunderstood what you meant... |
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