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Is it ethical to kill cockroaches with Poison?| If you vote before reading the post you are a nasty euphemism. | Unethical, not to be used ever |
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0.0%, 0 vote | Unethical, but better than the alterative |
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0.0%, 0 vote | Unethical, but I don’t care |
20.0%, 1 vote | Ethical, having no soul their pain is meaningless |
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0.0%, 0 vote | Ethical, it’s us or them |
20.0%, 1 vote | Ethical, unwanted pests must die |
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Pas'ra'chilli Red Paragoomba                    Since: 01-23-06 From: Albuquerque Last post: 6362 days Last view: 6321 days |
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| I got to thinking about this after nuking a civilization of mosquito larva living in the rain barrel in my backyard with Raid, but to be fair this is something I've been thinking about for a long time.
Raid is comprised of three chemical poisons: Propoxur- A nasty fucking carcinogen that does very nasty things to roach nervous systems by inhibiting cholinesterase, a chemical necessary to the proper function of their nervous system. But then again, our own nervous system relies on cholinesterase so it is toxic to us too, just at much higher doses. Piperonyl butoxide- Used in lice shampoos. Apparently it can cause vomiting in humans. Pyrethrin- Made from chrysanthemums. It's a natural insecticide that causes breathing and balance problems for humans. Any one of these chemicals can kill cockroaches and most anything else. Roaches can't develop immunities to things like Propoxur because of the way it affects them. Boric Acid, probably the most effective cockroach poison (can clear out something like 90% of roach populations), is a slow killer as it needs time to build up in roach systems and isn't much used because it takes a long time to kill the insects and that is not a desirable trait especially when people want results right away. Okay, so, what happens to cockroaches when they are hit with Raid? Kills on contact much like a shoe, but you can't leave magical "shoe residue" over things to continue killing roaches or ants can you? Raid is much more effective? Ever sprayed spiders? They go nuts and usually try and run away from their "tormentor". Black widows are fairly resistant to Raid actually. They take minutes to die instead of seconds. An insecticide bomb can reach far more surfaces than Raid ever could and roaches hit by this kind of poison can take several hours to die. Same with professional sprays like Orkin. You usually find these ones back up on your kitchen floor looking larger than life. "Why are they so big?" you wonder. "These were living in MY house?" Actually, they weren't so big until they were poisoned. Cockroaches other organs are surrounded by what is called a fat-body, which is essentially their liver. Poison a roach and its fat-body swells bloating to twice its size and making the normal sized cockroach look enormous. This is apparently very painful as the roaches seem to be in constant agitation until they die. I guess what I'm trying to ask is: How many cockroaches are worth a single human life? A hundred? Two thousand? Limitless? Killing one human is murder but you can pretty much gas an entire city worth of life into extinction any day you decide to fork over enough money. So, is it ethical to kill cockroaches and where do you draw the line? And which is worse on the ethic scale: Poison or stepping on the roach? Maybe I'm biased. Just things I think about in my free time.  No wait...  There we go. |
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witeasprinwow  Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6398 days Last view: 6398 days |
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| We talked about something like this in a philosophy class I took. Talked about Peter Singer, and the opposing argument to him, and then we applied some of their theories on animals to insects.
I might have some notes lying around the house somewhere. I'll see if I can dig them up later today. Even if the animals do have the same rights as humans, doesn't that mean they have the same responsibility to not trespass on your property? This is something I just thought about on the spot, I'm not sure what to make of it. The "How many animal/insect lives make a human life" is hardly a new debate, however. (edited by witeasprinwow on 07-31-06 10:14 AM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6290 days |
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| I think they're obviously a differnet category. animals don't have human rights for various reasons, but neither do they have zero--people shouldn't be needlessly cruel to them for example.
There's a heirarchy, though. What's okay to do to rats isn't okay for dolphins. In this graduated heirarchy, insects fall way down the list... and even then it breaks down between things like roaches and things like, say, spiders, which many people try not to kill because it makes them feel bad. Unless you're a committed member of certain religions, killing fast-breeding health-risk pests isn't unethical. |
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Pas'ra'chilli Red Paragoomba Since: 01-23-06 From: Albuquerque Last post: 6362 days Last view: 6321 days |
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| Counter argument: Roaches; clearer than humans. Environments likely to house roaches; hazardous. Roaches are symptoms not the cause in that situation.
I like your sig, by-the-by, rather appropriate for the thread. |
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