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Tarale    2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata                   Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Well, I went to the doctor today, because of my toe and the lack of sensation and all.
When I go to the doctor, he makes sure to ask a lot of questions about other things, and my Depression came up. I mentioned that I haven't been on antidepressants for nearly two years, and he asked how I was going. That's when I mentioned that I think I'm mostly okay, but slipping into a bit of a thing where I keep oversleeping and overeating a little. Long story short, I apparently need to be back on the medication again. This... really drives me nuts. I know I haven't been doing so great lately... but the idea that a doctor believes I need to be back on medication really really shits me. It took me a bit to work out why I'm really upset about this -- at first it was just that I'd been given antidepressants that pissed me off... just the thought of the medication was enough to trigger a bunch of shit. But what really gets me is -- It means that I have to admit that the Depression's back again. It means that my attempts to stay on top of it without medication are failing. It means that I have to admit that I really don't cope living by myself too. Which is something I feared... I knew that living with other people was one of the things that really helped me, and I was really hoping that things wouldn't fall apart now I'm stuck by myself. Dammit, I'm so.... grr... right now.    blah hell damn fart
Oh well, I hope I get over this lot of shit quickly this time. |
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Jomb Deddorokku   Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| Do you have to take the medication? Can you refuse? If you think you are doing fine dont let some doctor con you into taking medication. Is the medication expensive? Could there be a monetary motivation to them wanting you to buy it? I got the impression from your post that you dont really think you need this stuff. It should be your decision. People have good times and bad times, just because you are temporarily in a bad time does'nt mean you need happy pills. Do you experience side effects with this medication? An ex-friend of mine was once put on Zoloft. She was happier, but also became so flaky and un-reliable that she became an endless source of frustration for me trying to have her in my life. I liked her better when she was somewhat down but completely lucid. | |||
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I'm not necessarily sure if I need to take the medication, but I know that I am in fact Depressed.
I've had Depression -- on and off -- since 2002. I've been on Zoloft and Cipramil for it in the past, I've had Hypnotherapy which helped a bit in 2004. I have not taken anything since late 2004 till now. I think I've been relapsed into Depression for the past month. I've also been in denial about it for the past month. Whether I need medication or not I don't know, but it seems my own coping mechanisms are now competely failing on me. Distraction and denial don't work all the time. |
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Zer0wned Koopa Since: 12-09-05 From: Torrance, ca Last post: 6452 days Last view: 6452 days |
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| If I can offer some brief advice, I'd like to suggest that you try hypnotherapy again. Maybe it's just wearing off (can it do that?).
My work is directly involved with medications similar to what you've taken, and the sad truth is that the assumption that doctors are prone to hand out medication for the sake of a kickback is usually true. I'm not so skeptic as to say it's never the best answer, but it might be in your best interest to try the alternatives first. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Jomb In the Australian health system I highly doubt it... |
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Jomb Deddorokku Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| If you are very depressed and have no other options than i guess you are stuck with the medication. If it helps you than maybe its for the best. Why are you depressed? Is there some reason for it, or is it a biological thing? If its chemical in nature than you might have to fight chemicals with chemicals to overcome it, but if its related to events in your life then there probably is a better way to deal with it. | |||
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Jomb -- the doctor seems to believe that it's chemical. It could be -- I actually think I'm Seasonal Affective -- as I have been slowly degenerating into my current state the darker and more wintery it gets -- in which case I wonder if I will improve when it gets all sunny and such again.
I know I have some issues, mostly that I struggle living by myself (I have nobody to "bounce off" and therefore spend too much time in my head) but I'd been doing moderately okay with that so I don't understand why the slide into Depression because of that alone. Work has also been stressful; which I've been self-medicating for with the use of caffeine  |
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HighSorceressDelial Goomba  Since: 11-18-05 From: Shimmering Waters of Avden Last post: 6487 days Last view: 6487 days |
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| It really just sounds like he's trying to push the meds on you to make a profit... (some doctors are 'persuaded' to push certain medications, I know there was a hospital somewhere around here that practically had a glass bowl just full of the meds they were giving away...). Just refuse them if you don't want to go back on them.
And try not to deny your depression. Think of it this way, depression can come and go depending on chemicals/situations/etc. and people who have had it in the past are prone to have it again in the future. Instead of being upset when it's back again, think of it as something that will run it's course, and then go away again in time. (and if it lasts too long, or is really bad, then you get help). Even if it's back now, it won't last forever. |
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Kingpin Since: 11-21-05 From: Amarillo, TX Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Well, I met a guy with "depression." We started hanging out a lot, and apparently I'm a funny guy. Long story short, he doesnt need the medication any more, and he sells them to certain people.
I am not condoning the selling of drugs illegally, I'm just saying that pills usually are nothing more than a placebo at best. Sure, they do things to your body, but only because you want them too. Taking a pill for depression seems to be the same as taking a pill for sadness. Its an emotion. A pill doesn't take away an emotion. |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| As Arwon has pointed out, I don't think Australian doctors really get kickbacks from prescribing drugs. I've checked this with a friend of mine who is a doctor and he thinks the idea is rubbish. So it's doubtful that both the doctors who have now made the suggestion are doing it for "profit".
Two seperate doctors have suggested it now. I'm not sure. They have some benefit, in that they stabilise things to enough of an extent for things to improve through other means. I don't believe that the drugs alone can "cure" or "manage" Depression -- it needs to be done in conjunction with something else. I'm not sure though at this stage if I'm serious enough to need it. Mostly I'm just... numb and apathetic. |
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Xenesis Blipper  Since: 11-19-05 From: Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Kario As disturbing as it may be, most emotions are thought to be simply related to various chemical levels in your brain. There's a reason morphine makes you feel good, you know, or why many drugs that you take mimic a similar effect to natural endorphins and the like. And I'd also say that it's pretty unlikely that doctors are pushing drugs around here for kickbacks. The big drug companies don't have complete control over our country...yet.  |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| If anybody's curious to know what it is the doctor has recommended, it's called Edronax (aka reboxetine) and is part of a new class of drugs -- a NARI (Noradrenaline Reuptake Inhibitor) type. The types of drugs I took previously were SSRI (Selective Seratonin Reuptake Inhibitor) type (Sertraline (Zoloft) and Citalopram (Cipramil)).
It works by making sure that my brain doesn't simply store Noradrenaline, increasing the level of it in my brain. Noradrenaline is one of the chemicals believed to have an impact upon mood. Usually the focus for most Depression medications is the chemical Seratonin, and there are some drugs that focus on both Noradrenaline and Seratonin. I have Atypical Depression characterised by things like excessive sleeping, and increased appetite (particularly binge eating), and "significant social impairment as a consequence of hypersensitivity to perceived interpersonal rejection".  People with Atypical Depression can also show interest or pleasure in things which is unlike most Depressive symptoms.
However, I find despite said interest, I then lack the concentration or motivation to follow through on said interests. I have been putting off watching Howl's Moving Castle because I've had an inability to concentrate and I'd like to be able to sit down and actually watch the movie without fidgeting and distraction. The problems with motivation and concentration might also be why I have had an inability to draw for a long time now too.
The NARI type drugs have been suggested because they are supposed to have better effects upon motivation and concentration than SSRI type drugs. They are also not supposed to impact as greatly on weight as the previous drugs I'd tried. Both SSRI's I had both had a very negative effect upon my concentration and motivation, as well as contributing greatly to me putting on 30kg (66lbs)
In short, it's proposed that such a drug will improve my mood, stop me sleeping so much, stop me binge eating in an effort to feel better, and help me with motivation and concentration issues. As all of the above are problems, it may perhaps be a positive thing. I guess I can always stop taking it if it doesn't help anyways. At the moment I'm thinking about it. I'm not really sure if I need it or not, or if things will get better, but if they continue on the track that they have been (ie, fairly slowly getting worse) then it might be considered as a part (not the whole) of some strategy to "pull myself up by the bootstraps" as they say. |
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Jomb Deddorokku Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| If its something different you may as well try it for awhile and then decide whether you like it or not. Maybe it will really help you, its impossible to say if you've never tried it. | |||
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Well, I'm officially on Edronax now.
I will see how it goes.  Hopefully I will not need to be on it for the long term, and things will pick up soon. It's better than doing nothing. |
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Jomb Deddorokku Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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You'll let us know how it goes, right?  |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Jomb Provided that I don't have the last post in this thread, I can update it
Edronax so far... the most noticable effect is with my sleep. I'm still oversleeping, but not as severely. I got up at 10am today for example, instead of 12pm or 1pm. I did the same yesterday too. I hope it will become easier for me to get out of bed on weekdays too, to go to work.
I'm also moderately more motivated to do things like go for a walk, although the absolutely glorious (and unseasonal) weather we're having helps too. I'm still craving carbohydrate and sugar like nothing else though.
Mood wise, I'm still pretty "meh". It can take a while though for that to stabilise so I'll just keep plodding along in the meantime. |
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Jomb Deddorokku Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| What time do you go to bed? I sleep till at least noon most days, usually more like 1... but i go to bed really late so i dont consider it over-sleeping. | |||
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Jomb Not all that late. Somewhere between 10 and 12 weekdays (depending -- Scrubs is on on Monday at 11.30 so I stay up to watch that, but the rest of the week after around 10 I start making moves towards bed) and on weekends... well, around 12. I used to stay up till 3am, but now I'm of the opinion there's nothing worth staying awake for. 10 hours sleep is still oversleeping, but not as much as 12 or 13 hours.  And when I oversleep I feel all heady and crappy the rest of the day. 8 hours is generally about right for me; and I hope for a return to that.... |
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Jomb Deddorokku Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| 12-13 hours is too much... there must be a chemical problem, i could'nt sleep that long even if i tried. 10 hours would be great though, I'm lucky to get 8.
I usually stay up till about 5 Am.. I do it because i work best at night when its nice and peaceful, no distractions, no loud noises, nobody bugging me. I can just focus on what i'm doing and get alot done. |
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Boom.dk Since: 11-18-05 From: Denmark Last post: 6313 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Tarale I once saw a program in television about light therapy. Being exposed to bright light 30 minutes to an hour every day apparently helps against depression. I don't know a whole lot about it, but I found this article: http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/20050423/fob7.asp As I said, I don't know a lot about it, but it might work?  |
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