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Zidane Koopa                    Since: 07-14-06 From: Melbourne, FL Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6310 days |
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| No, no, the socket type on the CPU must match the socket type on the motherboard. I was thinking that you were just going to go with a standard CPU. I sure hope you haven't already bought a socket 939 board, as the CPU won't fit correctly. D: Dual core CPUs also require DDR2 memory.
Motherboard RAM You should never order until the full specs are in front of you (and with others) and don't ever take one person's word for it when it comes to computers.  (edited by Zidane on 08-28-06 11:24 AM) |
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Scatterheart Paratroopa  Since: 11-18-05 From: Sydney, Australia Last post: 6328 days Last view: 6304 days |
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Well, I was only asking about the difference between 939, and AM2.
After doing a bit of research, it seems that AM2 is better, though not far enough into it's life to make a real difference. I edited my last post, but that was before the old backup. My girlfriend's dad owns a small business. It's all about building and repairing computers with him, thus, he'll be building my one. I'm sure that any stupid mistake he makes will come out of his own pocket (if any). I've read countless pages regarding my soon-to-be graphics card, and I must tell him that I NEED a high quality, high powered PSU (power supply)[at least 450watts as you specified]. 
My new computer is pretty much set in stone, now. My girlfriend's dad should be able to sort out the little tid-bit details.
I've decided on the: AMD Athlon FX 4600+ processor. (I'll be sure to ask him for the overclock, thanks to your reccomendation)
Nvidia GeForce 7900 GT video card. (Checking a few benchmark reviews, this card doesn't sound best-of-the-best, but I'm certainly looking forward to seeing what it can produce. )
Just the 1GB of RAM (Whatever. I'll get another 1GB when I need it. )
80GB - 120GB HDD. I already have a very sleek 17inch BenQ LCD monitor which'll be fine for me.
The motherboard I end up with will be based on my girlfriend's dad's reccomendation. I know shit-all when it comes to motherboards, besides what they can handle (if there's even anything more to them than that). Thank you again for all of your help, and don't be hesitant to post a reply. You're now the main reason I come to this place. 
Here's hoping my girlfriend's dad knows what he's doing. 
It's strange enough thinking that my video card needs to be hooked up to the PSU directly... Maybe I should inform him. I'll be sure to let you know when I get my new compy.  |
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Zidane Koopa Since: 07-14-06 From: Melbourne, FL Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6310 days |
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| If he's running a business, you're in good hands. Building and repairing computers, he's got more experience than most of us on this board. ^.^
You made a good choice in processor, a higher end and affordable one. Yes, you are right about the dual cores, the biggest gain I've heard coming from these is about 2%-5% faster processing with some programs/games. It also means having to buy a more expensive motherboard and memory. I probably would've done it if I had money to burn - just because I love having the best of the best. 
The choice in graphics card is pretty much the best you can get without spending an obscene amount of money for a graphics card like this. Believe or not, people run that thing in quad SLI, paying over a thousand bucks for their graphics. The motherboard you get will have to have the same socket type as your processor, the same speed and socket as your memory, some PCI slots (I assume your sound card is PCI?), and a PCI exp As for my computer, I completed it in Spring this year, which tells you that it is already obsolete. I am using a 7800GT, a 2.4GHz CPU, and 2GBs of DDR400 memory. I've also got a case that has LEDs all over the place and a 19" monitor. Maybe not the best anymore, but it runs the newer games at max, so I'm happy.
Anyway, good luck with your computer and I hope you'll be joining me in max settings Oblivion soon. ^.~ |
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Scatterheart Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 From: Sydney, Australia Last post: 6328 days Last view: 6304 days |
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Boy, do I feel stupid... 
I don't know WHY I said AMD Athlon FX 4600+... Searching through Newegg, there's nothing of the sort for sale. *Slaps forehead* I was drunk...
I meant the Athlon X2 4600+ I did a bit of research about dual cores earlier, too. Seems strange how little the speed in games 'n stuff improve. The amount of advertising surrounding dual core technoledgy is fucked. "OMG! IT'S LIKE 5Ghz!! Here's hoping for better support in the near future for games. Now, onto games: First game I'm getting, is Doom 3, 'cause it's cheap as hell.
Oblivion doesn't really interest me. The whole first person thing is a turn off. I've hated that genre ever since those old NES and SNES RPGs... But then again, they're all I've played. The reviews say it's great, so I'll try it out anyway.
Quake 4, yeah, I wanna compare it to my brother's Xbox 360 version.
He doesn't live here, so I havn't had a chance to play it yet. No spoiling for me, thanks. I wonder how close to the Xbox 360's graphics I'll get.  |
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spiroth10 Paratroopa Since: 01-28-06 From: USA Last post: 6304 days Last view: 6304 days |
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| yeah, dual cores aren't supported well in games, thats why I stayed with a single-core 3800+, and it's a solid performer (2.4Ghz, rated at 3.8Ghz).
As for quake 4, great game -- just make sure to configure the AntiAliasing/other settings from your graphics card menu (for quake in specific or globally) -- I haven't found any in-game controls for AA, and the game really needs it if you want to compare it to the 360 version. enjoy the PC, I know I love mine. |
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| Why a 4600?
If you'd be willing to go Intel, an E6400 would perform better or just as well and cost a bit less. edit, meant E6400, not 300 (edited by CrimsonGX on 08-30-06 03:25 AM) (edited by CrimsonGX on 08-30-06 04:08 AM) |
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Scatterheart Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 From: Sydney, Australia Last post: 6328 days Last view: 6304 days |
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| Well, you have AMD fans, and Intel fans. I'm more of an AMD fan myself...but I'll wait for Zidane's comments.
About me being in good hands: Well, after speaking with him for 2 minutes tonight, I'm a little worried. When I said that I need a good PSU (at least 450watts), and that my graphics card needed to be hooked up the said PSU, he was suprised. Sounds like he's never made a PC as powerful as this one. I hope he adds decent-quality RAM, and decent-quality everything. I hope to have no problems when overclocking to 2.6Ghz...not that I know how to do it myself.
I'm such a n00b. I NEED to ask him about wrongfully purchased hardware problems. I sure hope that if he fucks up, it won't affect me.  |
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Originally posted by Scatterheart I personally look at who offers the best product for my money. I have a Opteron 170 at 2.4 Ghz, but I'm gonna be buying a E6600, new mobo, new psu, new RAM sometime in Oct. For PSU, just be sure to get a good brand and make sure it has PCI-E connections. Originally posted by ScatterheartStart doing research. It takes a while to find the sweet spot for everything. What? Also, what's your budget? (edited by CrimsonGX on 08-30-06 06:08 PM) |
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Zidane Koopa Since: 07-14-06 From: Melbourne, FL Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6310 days |
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| I haven't used an Intel processor in a very long time, maybe not at all. I do recall having a 75MHz CPU when I was very young, but that may have been an IBM one. The only friends that I've ever heard promote an Intel processor are those who have always used Intel, but the ones who have switched to AMD from Intel say that their new AMD CPU runs considerably faster than their old Intel one, which was of the same clock speed (there are more factors than just clock speed, though). I can't really say anything about this, as the more up to date CPUs I have bought are all AMD. I am also a little biased and will just assume that AMD is always better. ^.~
Stupid? Nah. When I heard FX, I just assume you got a 939 single core without even thinking of the version number, lol. If he's surprised, then I guess what he's been working on are office computers, rather than gaming computers. I'm sur ehe'd read the manual, though, the extra things aren't that difficult. The extra power connector is no big deal. It's just simply plugging in one of the power connectors into the video card. If you buy the video card retail, it usually comes with a power splitter, so that you can use the same connector for something like a hard drive and the video card.
About the decent quality RAM... you will need 240-Pin DDR2 RAM. You cannot use 184-Pin DDR RAM with a dual core processor. You must have a motherboard with a socket type of AM2 for the Athlon X2. As for overclocking, the Athlon X2 4600+ overclocks fairly well, and you could quite possibly achieve 2.8GHz with stock cooling (if you've got a good case). Overclocking is simple if you've got a good motherboard - you simply change the overclock settings in BIOS. :p It depends on the motherboard you get. If he burns out your stuff, I don't see why you'd have to pay for his stupidity. XD |
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Cellar Dweller + Red Koopa   Since: 11-18-05 From: Arkansas Last post: 6314 days Last view: 6305 days |
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Originally posted by Zidane I distinctly remember bulding my computer with a socket 939 Athlon64 X2 4200 and 184 pin RAM. So no, unless your point was that you merely consider such a configuration to be suboptimal and were exaggerating. PS. 100th post! |
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Zidane Koopa Since: 07-14-06 From: Melbourne, FL Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6310 days |
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Originally posted by Cellar Dweller +Originally posted by Zidane Yes, I was talking about the socket AM2 CPU. If you're going to go dual core, then you should give yourself room for upgrades. Dual core 939 will be obsolete when DDR2 memory becomes the standard. It will be the same in 2008 when AM3 comes out and people move on to DDR3. Preparing for these sort of things saves those of us who like to have high end computers from spending too much money when we have to scrap our system to make it as good as it used to seem. (edited by Zidane on 08-31-06 01:40 AM) |
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Originally posted by Zidane AnandTech- http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=2795 Bit Tech - http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/2006/07/14/intel_core_2_duo_processors/1.html ByteSector - http://www.bytesector.com/data/bs-article.asp?id=661 Chile Hardware - http://www.chilehardware.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=hardware_...iews&am Club IC - http://www.clubic.com/article-36354-1-le-pentium-laisse-la-place-intel...re-2-du Computer Base - http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/hardware/prozessoren/2006/test_inte...ore_2_e Digit Life - http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/cpu/intel-core2-duo-e6600.html Extreme Tech - http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,1697,1989036,00.asp Firing Squad - http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/intel_core_2_performance/ GD Hardware - http://www.gdhardware.com/hardware/cpus/intel/conroe/X6800_E6700/001.htm GotFrag - http://hardware.gotfrag.com/portal/story/33492/ Guru3D - http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=185555 HardOCP - http://enthusiast.hardocp.com/article.html?art=MTEwOCwxLCxoZW50aHVzaWFzdA== Hardware Secrets - http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/348 HardwareZone - http://www.hardwarezone.com.sg/articles/view.php?cid=2&id=1980 Hardware.fr - http://www.hardware.fr/articles/633-1/exp Hexus - http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=6184 Hot Hardware - http://www.hothardware.com/viewarticle.aspx?articleid=845&cid=1 Legion Hardware - http://www.legionhardware.com/document.php?id=569 Legit Reviews - http://www.legitreviews.com/article/362/1/ MadBox PC - http://www.madboxpc.com/contenido.php?id=2394 Mad Shrimps - http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=470 Maximo PC - http://www.maximopc.org/articulos/intel_core_2_duo_review_parte_1.html NeoSeeker - http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/core2duo_e6700/ OCAU - http://www.overclockers.com.au/article.php?id=489587 OC Workbench - http://www.ocworkbench.com/2006/intel/core2duo/g1.htm PC Perspective - http://www.pcper.com/article.php?aid=272 Phoronix - http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=512&num=1 Planet X64 - http://www.planetx64.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&am...d=283&a Sharky Extreme - http://www.sharkyextreme.com/hardware/cpu/article.php/3620036 Sim HQ - http://www.simhq.com/_technology2/technology_090a.html Tech Report - http://techreport.com/reviews/2006q3/core2/index.x?pg=1 Tom's Hardware - http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/07/14/core2_duo_knocks_out_athlon_64/ Trusted Reviews - http://www.trustedreviews.com/article.aspx?art=3161 TweakTown - http://www.tweaktown.com/articles/923/ Xbit Labs - http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core2duo-e6300.html Originally posted by HyperHackerAnyway (edited by CrimsonGX on 08-31-06 02:30 AM) |
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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6305 days Last view: 6305 days |
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OK, but I don't see how this blows away AMD or any other current technology.  |
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Scatterheart Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 From: Sydney, Australia Last post: 6328 days Last view: 6304 days |
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| Thought the same thing.
OooOh! Bigger L2 Cache.
And yeah. Yesterday, I decided on getting AM2/DDR2, for the exact same reason as Zidane just said. The difference is slight at the moment, but it'll give plenty of breathing space for future upgrades. I spent hours researching stuff yesterday.
I didn't know there was a connection between AM2 and DDR2.
I'm such a n00b. I'm teh lerning tho. *EDIT* Okay. Hope I'm not wrong with this, 'cause I'd look really stupid, but I think I only got the jist of this today. I have DDR PC2100 RAM in my compy at the moment. That "PC2100" is the speed of the RAM, yeah? ... ... ... Ah, WIki is my friend.
Okay, so that's 133Mhz RAM. *More Newegg checking* Ah! 2x 512MB PC2 6400 isn't too expensive! ...2x 1GB on the other hand...
My girlfriend's dad said that I'd be better off going for 2x 512MB sticks instead of the single 1GB. Any brands I should really steer clear of? Kingston, Corsair? Oh, and for my budget... $15,000AU / $12,500US.
This thing's heading towards the $2,000AU / $1,600US mark though. I guess that's around my cutt-off point. We do pay a bit more than what you guys do, unfortunately. (edited by Scatterheart on 08-31-06 10:32 AM) |
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Originally posted by HyperHacker $360 dollar processor competing and beating out a $1000 in several cases. Jeez, I don't know. They're overclocking like motherfuckers. They're also better as far as Price/Performance goes, too That's because a single stick wouldn't run in DDR. But, since you're gaming, 2 GB would be best. You could buy a single stick now, then buy an identical stick later, too. I can tell you a few good brands: OCZ, Mushkin, Corsair. I've had problems with Crucial, though. (edited by CrimsonGX on 08-31-06 02:30 PM) (edited by CrimsonGX on 08-31-06 02:41 PM) |
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Scatterheart Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 From: Sydney, Australia Last post: 6328 days Last view: 6304 days |
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| Got my compy today!!!
Quake 4 looks AWWWESOME! And the demo I've been playing does have graphics restrictions. Can't wait to see the full game.:rolleyes I did end up getting 2GB of RAM (4x 512 DDR2 PC2 6400 (667megahertz)), so that's cool.
Everything about the computer is beautiful! ...Except for one thing: Not sure if it's both the DVD ROM drive and the DVD burner, but when putting in a disc into the DVD read-only drive, it makes the computer freeze around 33% of the time. I've tried twice to install Need for Speed: Most Wanted, but it froze on the fourth disc. It isn't the game, because it happened twice before, with other discs. I'll be sure to let my girlfriend's dad know, as he's the guy I got the thing from. He built it and everything.
My older computer is right next to my new beast at the moment, as I havn't been able to find my ISP's broadband installer disc. So this compy is my internet PC for the time being. It's still a bitch swapping all of the cables over though.
My new PC is A LOT quieter than my old one. The DVD drives are the main source of noise. AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (2.4Ghz) Leadtech GeForce 7900 GT 256MB 4x 512MB DDR2 PC6400 Kingston RAM 250GB HDD (BAH! They always rip people off. It's actually 221GB )
Pretty happy with it.
It ended up costing $1,950AU / $1,600US ($2,000AU was my personal limit), which was a little more than I expected... I finally have a legitimate version of Windows XP! |
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