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witeasprinwow









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Posted on 07-22-06 11:46 AM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Arwon
I'm a bit unclear here, wite. Are you arguing that statutory rapists being treated like other sex offenders is right, or just?

I don't think statutory rape should be treated the same way as other sex crimes at all. Make it a different category, keep them off the "sex offender" lists, and so forth. Certainly don't give them the whole pariah-leper treatment. I'd even go so far as to say "yes, even if one person is much older". Sure, it's icky, but if a 16 year old chooses to fuck a 30 year old then that's categorically not the same as sexual assault or rape.


I'm not really sure what position I'm arguing here, honestly. I was just responding to Jomb's posts as I read them with whatever I thought about them.

What we could really use is different degrees of sex offender. The guy who rapes a 3 year old and the 18 year old who did a 17 year old are entirely different kinds of people.
Arwon

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Since: 11-18-05
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Posted on 07-22-06 01:42 PM Link | Quote
Unless THEY'RE THE SAME PERSON!!!
Rom Manic









Since: 12-18-05
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Posted on 07-23-06 01:23 PM Link | Quote
I don't think we need hatred. We hate because we are provoked to hate. But even that can be an illusion in the sense that we do not hate at all, we just are indisposed against something for whatever reason, be it prejudice or propaganda or whatever.
Jomb

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Since: 12-03-05
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Posted on 07-23-06 08:19 PM Link | Quote
wite - I completely agree with "What we could really use is different degrees of sex offender", 100%. Unfortunately as it is now there is no attempt at all to do something like this, it's all mechanical, like robots they get out their law-book, and do exactly what it says, which in this case says Statutory Rape = sex offense, therefore defendant is registered sex offender. Then, once considered registered sex offender you are treated the same as any other registered sex offender regardless of whether it was consentual sex with someone in high school or the violent abduction and rape of a toddler. Statutory Rape type cases are by far the most common type of sex crime, so we're talking about a majority (or perhaps the largest minority, I'd have to go crunch some numbers) of registered sex offenders who probably ought not be considered highly dangerous. The registry itself helps very little as in most states it is very vague about what the crime actually was or what the events of the crime were, basically leaving you thinking the worst. To compound the confusion the charge's name oftentimes is unrelated to what happened, due to plea deals or over-zealous prosecutors. For example, i know of a guy who has a charge of sexual-abuse of children, 3rd degree. You'd immediately think "child molestor!" but actually he should have Statutory Rape as his charge because what he did was very similar as my friend, but come plea deal time he took that charge because technically it is a lesser charge and carries less time.

But regardless i still think anyone who goes X number of years crime-free and really makes every attempt to turn their life around ought to have a second chance, there needs to be some kind of hope for a better life for these people, or else what motivation is there to change? If society wont have you, there is always criminal society and they'll take anyone.
RedFlameZero

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Since: 01-28-06
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Posted on 08-01-06 11:19 PM Link | Quote
The human being needs Hatred, Hatred is a Universal replacement, like if we dont know how to React Hatred twords the Cause of the Problem/Death. Example: Your Best Friend dies and you just dont know how to React, you start to Hate yourself for Diffrent reasons or Reasons that are linked to his Death. Also Hatred is directed twords the Unknown such as, well i cant quite think of it but you get it
ziffhasnoaim/password

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Since: 06-07-06

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Posted on 08-01-06 11:38 PM Link | Quote
...Which Syracuse are you from? That's some REALLY weird capitalization.
witeasprinwow









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Posted on 08-01-06 11:53 PM Link | Quote

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He's 15. He doesn't go to the 'Cuse college.

I like the "i can't quite think of it but you get it" part. By like I really mean don't like.
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Posted on 08-01-06 11:55 PM Link | Quote
I was thinking something like you know...Sicily.
Crayola

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Since: 03-18-06
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Posted on 08-02-06 01:56 AM Link | Quote
To sum it all up we hate to feel superior, to express conflict, to feel accepted, and to use as a scapegoat.

Examples of each:
Superioritical hate: We yearn to feel better about ourselves.
Telling yourself and others that you are better than a group
Or a person makes you feel better about yourself.

expressing conflict: This is the most logical reason to hate someone.
When you hate because or a negative affect that someone or something
has had on your life.

Feeling accepted: Sometimes you must hate a group or a person to
belong .If you want to fit in with the KKK your going to probably
have to hate blacks, Jews, and homosexuals.

Hating as a scapegoat: Blaming ethnic groups or others as a means of
Hiding the true cause of a problem.
Ex:
Person asks “Why don’t I have a job?”
Redneck answers “Its cause the Mexicans took all the jobs”
Real answer: It’s because you are lazy and a drunk.

Those were all just rough (very bad) examples.
There are many reasons to hate and some hate is inevitable in any society.
Some hate is just, maybe even needed. But it’s important that we learn to get past some of our issues with different peoples.
We need to start to see each other as people not stereotypes.
So I conclude hate may be bad but if you hate, hate with reason.


(edited by Crayola on 08-02-06 12:57 AM)
RedFlameZero

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Since: 01-28-06
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Posted on 08-02-06 01:36 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by witeasprinwow

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He's 15. He doesn't go to the 'Cuse college.

I like the "i can't quite think of it but you get it" part. By like I really mean don't like.
.... Your off by a year, and it was atleast 1:30 i couldnt think >.<
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Posted on 09-28-06 09:04 PM Link | Quote
''The Human Need For Hatred''

No, more like '''The Human Instinct of Hatred''

It is a must for any living organism, to hate each other to some point, so that random members of the species kill an amount of their own species in order to control population.

With humans, if you think of it, if we hadn't had the anti-jewish racism in ww2, we would be overpopulated...
rubixcuber

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Since: 09-08-06
From: St. Louis, MO

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Posted on 10-01-06 02:04 PM Link | Quote
The world population went from 2.5 billion in 1950 to 6 billion around 2000. How do the people killed in WW2 have any significant effect on overpopulation at all?
Ogama Dobe

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Since: 11-15-06
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Posted on 11-19-06 09:34 PM Link | Quote
Hatred is something that we feel regardless. It is necessary in some respects because if there was no hatred there would be far too many people on this planet. There already are, also we cannot but help just hate because it is nearly impossible for you to like everyone you meet and if you do there is something strange going on.
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