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Arwon Bazu                  Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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Originally posted by Yoshi DudeOriginally posted by ArwonYou were implying that their opinion didn't matter because they never got drunk. I was just taking your logic to another level. No, I wasn't implying their opinion didn't matter, I was arguing that it was an opinion formed out of lack of experience, and that it's rather obnoxious to spout off about the evils of alcohol without ever having tried it in any serious way. It'd be like me, a virgin, spouting off about sex. I, for one, greatly dislike and take exception the smug, condescending attitude implicit in such exp Just to skim through this thread and pick a couple of examples, we've got you calling me immature because I'm pointing out that most people drink, alcohol is basically everywhere, and learning how to deal with it well is important to functioning well in our society. Someone else just said they "don't like the idea of getting drunk" as though that's the be-all and end-all of alcohol (it's not! there's many, nuanced levels of inebriation!) We've got Danielle talking like anyone who drinks is a "bafooon", "acting like morons, and seeing who'll do the stupidest things" and saying that all nondrinkers are nondrinkers cos they're more intelligent than drinkers. Guess you're never gonna share a quiet bottle of wine with a couple of friends over a nice dinner, eh Danielle? Or drink a couple pints with mates at the local pub, relax over a game of pool, after a long day's work? And really, yeah, YD, you're right. Sober people generally don't like drunk people. It sucks to be sober around drunks. You don't have to be a mighty nondrinker to realise this. |
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Danielle     6730 Administratorrrr HELLO THERE     Since: 11-17-05 From: California Rate me ^_^ Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Arwon Nah, I don't think nondrinkers are more intelligent, they just think the same way that I do. Alcohol isn't needed. To be honest, none of that you listed sounds appealing. I can relax without alcohol, I can have a good time without beer, and I can certainly enjoy a dinner without a glass of wine. To each his own.  |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| Yes, but the point is, you don't have to. These things are excellent mood enhancers and it's silly to deprive yourself of such experiences through some sense of idealism.
Also, comics! About drinking Have Fun (edited by Arwon on 11-29-05 09:40 PM) |
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NSNick Gohma IF ALL ELSE FAILS USE BOOZE  Since: 11-17-05 From: Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| Drinking can be fun, as long as you don't go overboard. Of course, overboard is different things to different people.
For some, overboard is getting drunk, for others it's getting buzzed. As for me, I enjoy drinking socially, as well as getting drunk. I don't get hangovers, so it works out pretty well for me. Of course, now with my crazy tolerance, it takes a concerted effort to get drunk. C'est la vie. And as far as legally drinking, I've done so twice, the first time was a beer at a restaurant in Manitoba, the second while in Windsor. I'll be able to legally drink here in late May. Over Memorial Day weekend. Uh-oh...  |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Actually, alcohol is good for you!
I read a med-sci paper in the student paper today, apparently the research is sound and that various forms of alcohol can have a positive effect on you. |
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Danielle 6730 Administratorrrr HELLO THERE Since: 11-17-05 From: California Rate me ^_^ Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Yeah, in moderation I'm sure.
Who drinks in moderation? |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I've been able to legally drink for almost 7 years. I have been drinking (legally or not) for over 12 years.
During my lifetime, my attitudes towards alcohol have changed. When I was a kid it was 'bad' and I was 'never, ever going to do it'. Like smoking, which was also bad, and drugs. Bad, bad, bad! When I was early in my teens, it was "icky". I didn't like the taste of it. I'd have half a glass of champagne at celebrations such as Christmas time, or important birthdays, but I wasn't fond of it. When I was in my mid teens, I got drunk for the first time. I didn't think much of it. I got drunk again a bit later with some friends and had a lot of fun. When I was about 17, I started binge drinking a lot with friends. From then till about the age of 20, I had a very bad attitude towards alcohol -- I think this is the attitude that people SHOULDN'T have towards alcohol, and one of the reasons Alcohol itself gets a bad rep. I used to try to drink as often as possible, as much as possible. I'd drink till I passed out, or threw up, or made an arse of myself, or something. This was my idea of "fun". Then I settled down. I still drink. But I don't drink a lot. I drink with friends, or at celebrations and get-togethers. I might have a glass or two of red wine of an evening, with dinner. I might have a refreshing beer or two of a hot summer evening, or a scotch in winter if I'm so inclined. Oooh, or curling up in front of the fire/heater in winter with a Bailey's and a warm fuzzy blankie 
I particularly enjoy certain red wines with dinner. I love the smell and the taste of red wines, and they go really well with nice red meat, or tomato-based pasta dishes. I don't tend to get drunk... or even buzzed... I get annoyed, frankly, at people who think alcohol is "bad", and will closed-mindedly refuse to drink -- or worse, tell me that I am in some way a bad person because I choose to drink. I see a lot of these attitudes around and get told that I'm "bad" a lot. Alcohol isn't "bad". My attitude towards alcohol between the ages of 17 and 20 was bad, alcohol itself isn't. Plus, there are so many wonderful flavors that non-drinkers miss out on. The spicy taste of a good Shiraz, the fruity taste of a Merlot, the rich smoky taste of a good scotch... or the wonderful creamy taste of Baileys. You non-drinking-guys miss out on all teh yummies!! Not every alcoholic beverage suits everybody's palate, but there are some wonderful tasting things out there 
Originally posted by Danielle MEEE!! And yes, alcohol (red wine, beer) has been shown to be good for your heart in moderate amounts, and both red wine and beer are both high in antioxidants also. (edited by Tarale on 11-29-05 10:52 PM) |
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Dudette Metal axe  Since: 11-28-05 Last post: 6375 days Last view: 6310 days |
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| I'm 18 and haven't touched any alcohol and I probably wont. I just don't see a need to have it when I can have a nice save can of pepsi instead.
A few of my friends drink and I've never been pressured to have a drink either. I think having alcohol in moderation is good, but some people just seem to go over board with it.. which can sometimes turn ugly. |
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Salmon Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-18-05 From: Norway Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6302 days |
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| Soooo...
A warm summer's day, maybe a couple of steaks on a barbeque grille, and a cold beer. Christmas dinner, ribs, sausages, potatoes, delicious sauce, and a small glass of aquavit. A match at the pub, friends next to you, excitement, and a half litre in everyone's hands. A dinner at a restaurant, delicious food, a glass of red wine. A long day of studying at the university, relaxation at the pub, a glass or two at the student pub at the end of the day with some friends. Yeah, of course, Danielle, the only time one would ever drink would be when one would want to be "getting wasted, acting like morons, and seeing who'll do the stupidest things". |
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Rydain Sir Kibble Blaze Phoenix Runs with the Dragon Within  Since: 11-18-05 From: State College, PA Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6297 days |
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Originally posted by DanielleYou are aware that there is a happy medium between abstention from alcohol and drinking yourself into uncontrollable idiocy, are you not? Furthermore, how old are all of these drinkers you describe? Given your age, I would bet good money that you are referring to other teenagers. People who cannot legally purchase their own alcohol - especially people who aren't done growing up - are far more likely than adults of legal age to act like imbeciles whenever they get their mitts on it. In the case of every alcohol-consuming adult I know (myself included), the standard practice is to have one or two servings at a time, such as a pint of beer with a good meal. That won't get you drunk, let alone drunk to the point at which you behave like a deranged ape without even realizing it. |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I think that one big problem is that there isn't a whole lot of *good* education about alcohol, or rather that young people don't get positive experiences when it comes to alcohol. Often, alcohol is lumped in with drugs as being "bad" and children are taught that abstinence is the only way to go.
Apart from the little bits of champagne I drank as a kid, I had little to no experience with alcohol till I was about 16. I wasn't taught to respect alcohol or to be responsible with it, I had very little experience with what it actually *did* to me, etc. I was told to abstain from alcohol, cause it was "bad" and will lead to me doing drugs and having sex! boooo! Then I hit the age of 16 and I have these rowdy irresponsible - rebellious - peers (teenagers and young adults) whose "lessons" about alcohol include such gems as "eating is cheating" and accusations of being a "Cadbury" if you can't hold your grog. Drinking till you throw up is somehow "cool" and gets you teased all at once 
Then I got a bit older, learned my limits, learned the dangers of alcohol and settled down somewhat. I might have a couple of drinks, but I don't often get drunk anymore. It's interesting -- in Mediterranean cultures, family members of all ages drink alcohol (usually wine) with meals. Even little kids are given alcohol on special occasions. They are taught to respect alcohol. And studies have shown that people who grow up in this culture are less likely to abuse alcohol, binge drink, or become alcholic. |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Hey, there's a reason there's a minimum age in most countries to drink - so that you know what you're doing beforehand. Knowing when to say when and all that. Granted, some people do end up getting drunk accidentally, and sometimes it is funny to see petite girls get bombed off two glasses of white wine. XD
If you know what you're doing, you're fine. And if you maybe go a little over the edge, then it's not the end of the world and odds are if you DO end up doing anything stupid, your friends will let you know about it. :\ But drinking isn't evil or anything like that. ...Then again, the university I go to is QUITE close to the main club strip.   |
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Zem Permabanned. Flaming, trolling, reregistering. Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6619 days Last view: 6619 days |
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Originally posted by Tarale This is very similar to what Bertrand Russell said about sex education (granted, this was back in the early 1900s) - basically, kids are brought up with sex being a taboo subject, and then are expected to immediately be mature upon reaching the age of majority. Doesn't necessarily lead to good results. |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by ZemOriginally posted by Tarale Yes -- and it didn't with me (as stated in my first post in this thread). I reached 17, and people were suddenly giving me alcohol and encouraging me to drink with them. With no prior experience of the stuff -- no knowledge of my own limits -- what alcohol actualy DOES to you if you get more than half a glass of champagne -- etc... well, let's just say I went a liiiiiittle bit nuts
On the bright side, I learned from it 
But the attitudes and behaviour I had between the ages of 17 and 20 were far from desirable. |
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Sin Dogan 860  Uoodo Original Blend Armored Trooper Votoms Canned Coffee! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6300 days |
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Originally posted by Ziff Lawl. |
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neotransotaku Sledge Brother Liberated from school...until MLK day  Since: 11-17-05 From: In Hearst Field Annex... Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Time for me to chime in.
I currently do not have a compelling reason to try it out on my own. Maybe if I'm with people I'll give it a shot. But yeah, Arwon has a good point in that drunkards and company constitute a very small minority of the drinking population. After all, if it was really, really bad--why do we have multi-million dollar corporations, bars in every city, and wine events around the country? Surely it can't be ENTIRELY bad. As for the effect of drinking with others, who knows. I have yet to go to an occassion with people my age and party. So after that, maybe my attitude towards alcohol will change. We'll see. Alcohol isn't THE EVIL, it is the people who abuse it, make stupid decisions with it, and are immature that are responsible its the negative image. After all, if it isn't alcohol, there is another substance that will do the trick. |
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Emptyeye Oneofthebiggestlegendsand starseverinthis...GOD! Ceremonial Full Moderator Since: 11-17-05 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| *Laughs at "and the day you are legally able to drink it"*
I'm 22 now. Suffice to say my 21st birthday did not go particularly well. Anyway, I don't mind the occasional beer, but I know my limits, and my limits indicate that I'm a fucking lightweight (2 beers over an hour-and-a-half span and I'm loopy), so I take care not to exceed them. Oh, and no alcohol while I'm playing poker. Ever. |
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Trapster King Dedede Since: 11-19-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6404 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| Iīm legally able to drink right now and have been since summer. Still, I havenīt even been ndizzy from alcohol.
Itīs a shame, I know, but Iīm going to be a little drunk on the day I end high school. |
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Zem Permabanned. Flaming, trolling, reregistering. Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6619 days Last view: 6619 days |
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Alcohol is just an intoxicating substance that it's possible to have a healthy relationship with, or an abusive relationship with. But !
Originally posted by neotransotaku . Worst rationalization ever |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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Originally posted by neotransotaku Now I wouldn't go that far... |
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