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Pyris Goomba                    Since: 07-05-06 From: Chicago Last post: 6513 days Last view: 6513 days |
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| War has come again! After a series of rocket attacks by Lebanese terrorists on isreal, isreal has launched a full fleged assault on lebanon. Apparently, Lebanon is begging for a ceasefire, claiming that they are not responsible for the terrorists just because they came from their country. Isreal has responded to that by claiming that the Lebanese government is providing financial backing for the terrorist groups.
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Salmon Red Cheep-cheep  Since: 11-18-05 From: Norway Last post: 6311 days Last view: 6300 days |
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| Isreal is real? Didn't think a country of that name existed.
I don't really know much about this particular situation, but things have certainly been even tenser than normal in that area lately. What surprised me to read was that Israel's actions were actually condemned by our foreign minister, and appearantly of governments of other countries as well. That's sort of a first, as usually the governments are pro-Israel (a lot more so than the people, anyway). |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Jesus. Not a whole lot to say. Except fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck.
Syria might even end up rolling back in. Ugh. (edited by Arwon on 07-14-06 01:11 AM) |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6310 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| go Israel.... kick some terrorist arab ass!!!!
I'm glad they are finally just standing up for themselves and not waiting for world approval before getting something done. I've heard Iran is threatening to attack Israel soon. Oh, and Saudi Arabia is actually condemning the terrorist groups that have been attacking Israel.... we'll have to wait until tomorrow to see what happens next!!!! |
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optomon Rat Since: 02-12-06 From: California Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| Let's just hope we dom't see any mushroom clouds by the end of the week. | |||
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by geeogree Are you kidding me? Are you really that fucking ignorant? What the hell do you even know about Lebanon? What does bombing Beirut airport and destroying Lebanese roads accomplish? This is full scale war, a very mismatched and one-sided war, against an entire country here. Do you cheer war against Arab countries just for the fucking hell of it? (edited by Arwon on 07-14-06 05:33 AM) |
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6404 days Last view: 6404 days |
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| On one side, Lebanon really needs to get their shit together, and this is the only way. Isreal is completely justified in taking action to protect itself from a very real threat of terrorism. Lebanon's government is at least guilty of negligence by allowing these terrorist groups to prosper and doing nothing to stop them, if not actually guilting of aiding them.
At the same time, if what Arwon said is true and they are bombing airports and roads, then Isreal needs to take some responsibility as the most powerful country in this war. They have a responsibility to try their best to protect the citizens of Lebanon... And I don't see how bombing an airport helps any of that. |
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Cirvania Cyball I guess this is as close as Xkeeper will get to spell it right. :< Since: 11-17-05 From: The Island of Puerto Rico. Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Three words: World. War. III.
Pretty soon Iran and Syria will join the fray, not to mention Palestine, and it's only a matter of time before Iraqi and Afghan terrorist factions strike. The one-sided war don't look so one-sided now, huh? Add to that the possibility of nuclear strikes, and you've got a recipe for disaster. And rising oil prices. I hate to say it, but I see the US and Britain intervening in this conflict, big time, somewhere in the future. And Lord knows what will happen next. |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6310 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by ArwonOriginally posted by geeogree I don't cheer for unjustified war.... so, I guess I do cheer for anyone attacking Arab terrorists and the countries that harbour and fund them |
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6404 days Last view: 6404 days |
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Originally posted by Cirvante I can see Palestine, but I wouldn't say Iran and Syria jumping in are guarantees. |
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6487 days Last view: 6487 days |
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| Wow.
This thread highlights stupidity, ignorance, and blind...god, I couldn't even find another adjective to describe. geeogree - you're cheering for a war. You're not a Christian, as you've often claimed to be. You're a monster. |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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This is the pinnacle of overreaction. Apparently kidnapping some Israeli soldiers is grounds for this. I don't think anyone can justify Israel's actions here (well, aside from our PM voicing his support yesterday...  ) and they'd better come to their senses quickly. No good can come from this, whether the conflict spreads or stays confined to that general area. |
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6404 days Last view: 6404 days |
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Originally posted by Colin They have been at war for 2000 years. This is not the first blow in this series, nor will it be the last. From what I understand, this has more to do with a recent change in Lebanon's government, and less to do with actual soldiers. And I don't see how kidnapping isn't grounds for war, if it's state-sponsored or a fault of extreme negligence of the state... Ignoring it will not prevent it from happening again. |
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6487 days Last view: 6487 days |
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| No, they've been at war since 1947. Still a long time, but you're misconstruing history and the Bible. | |||
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| That all still doesn't explain why you have to bomb the main international airport, for starters.
You can't ignore kidnapping but you also can't launch a full-scale offensive as a result of it. |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6310 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| the reason that airport was bombed was to help prevent the captured soldiers from being moved to Tehran from Beirut.
yeah, maybe if the only incident had been 3 captured soldiers then this reaction would be unjustified, but this is not the first time Israel has been attacked by Hamas or Hezbolla (not 100% sure about the spellings on those) oh and Ziff.... a war in defense and protection of your own people is a war that I as a Christian can support. Once those soldiers are returned I expect a peaceful resolution to come of things, but until then I support Israel's moves and hope that the terrorists that kidnapped the soldiers come to their senses and hand over the soldiers before more people have to die |
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Schweiz oder etwas [12:55] (Dr_Death16); I swear, the word drama needs to be stricken from the dictionary, for I've heard it so many times, it will permanently be imprinted on my brain  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kingston, Rhode Island Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Geogree -- I suppose as a Christian a war in which an army of Christians try to convert Muslims to their religion by slaughtering them in the name of God is a war you can support, too? Do NOT let your religion be the basis for supporting a fucking war. You're making over a billion peaceful Christians look bad by doing so.
Damn it all, with all of the US-led unrest in the middle east, this is the LAST thing the world needs on its hands right now. (edited by Grey on 07-15-06 02:35 AM) (edited by Grey on 07-15-06 02:36 AM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| I can't think what Israel thinks its going to get out of this, though I suspect that no-one's really thinking at all. Just because Israel as an actual country has some sort of supposed "right" to start lobbing bombs and missiles around doesn't mean it's a good fucking idea to be baited by the petulant morons in Hezbollah.
I mean, if they're TRYING to strengthen the hand of Hezbollah by restoring their credibility as resistance fighters by giving them something to fight, then this is a good move. If they're TRYING to destroy Lebanon's government and turn it back into a power vacuum that's just begging for Syria to march back in and Hezbollah to take over, then GREAT. If their goal is a new Lebanese civil war then this is perfect! If they WANT to turn Lebanon into an ungovernable haven for all sorts of terrorism and crime, then BRILLIANT! If they're trying to turn world public opinion against them (for example, news coverage here is focussing on the 30 000 or so Lebanese-Australians who're in danger right now) then wonderful! About the only justifications I can think of that might be going through the minds of Israel's leadership that justify this sort of behaviour are "hey, bombing shit is fun" and "if we can solidify all Arabs into a front against us we can have an all-out war between Arabs and Jews!!!" -- which makes the Israeli leadership either morally reprehensible or really fucking stupid. "But he started it!" is not good foreign fucking policy. Even in the Middle East where it's about the sum total of foreign policy on all sides. Oh, and there's plenty of Christians in Lebanon. I'm trying to figure out what the Kataeb/Falange Party thinks of this current war. I suspect they're not fucking happy either. (edited by Arwon on 07-15-06 03:02 AM) (edited by Arwon on 07-15-06 03:08 AM) |
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Sin Dogan   860  Uoodo Original Blend Armored Trooper Votoms Canned Coffee! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6299 days |
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Originally posted by Colin True. I'm especially amused by how Israel says it's not targeting civilians while bombing airports, bridges, and suburbs. |
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6487 days Last view: 6487 days |
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| My God taught me to turn the other cheek. I don't know what yours taught you. I've heard that you are a Christian. It seems that you're not. You must worship another god and follow another theology entirely. People like yourself sadden me.
The truth of this conflict is that Israel is over-reacting. And the world is dealing with Hamas quite wrong. Hamas won an election clean and fair. Yet we condemn them. They won that election because of the despairation of the Palestinian. The world's choice to remove funding from the Palestinian authority is a major problem. Hamas isn't starving. The Palestinians are. There is nothing there for the people. Hamas and other extremist militant organizations feed off of suffering. We're just increasing the growth of the problem. Democracy feeds on the impulses of the people. When the people suffer a vacuum gets created. A vacuum of hope. The most radical answer almost always seems to be the best choice. We've made this problem worse. |
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