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Schweiz oder etwas [12:55] (Dr_Death16); I swear, the word drama needs to be stricken from the dictionary, for I've heard it so many times, it will permanently be imprinted on my brain                     Since: 11-17-05 From: Kingston, Rhode Island Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| Yeah, Spirits Within was really unsuccessful... For a good reason, I own it on VHS and have never watched it.
But Advent Children was still neat to watch, if you just kinda forgot that it was based off of FFVII and was just some random story about random people living in a post-apocalyptic future. |
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Sweet Kassy Molassy Out of ice cream and PB. Would KILL for a milkshake right now.  Since: 06-17-06 From: LoozeeAnna Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| Spirits Within was not only unsuccessful, it set the notion of CG being mainstream back by several years. People expected big things from it and were sorely dissappointed. | |||
Xeo Belmont Wiiiiiiiiiiiiin  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| I'm not sure what I dislike more, Spirits Within or Advent Children. =\
I liked how Tseng randomly appeared in Advent Children. Or was that him? Whichever Turk died in the game I guess. |
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6409 days Last view: 6409 days |
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Originally posted by Colin Oops... yes. I meant The Spirits Within, not Advent Children. Advent Children was a financial success, if I recall. Which really makes my heart feel heavy. And while Square wasn't about to die, FF:TSW put them on the downhill path. Without a major FFVII scale hit again, they would have eventually closed doors. Merging with Enix helped them prevent that. If they had never made FF:TSW, they probably would have never merged with Enix. (edited by witeasprinwow on 07-08-06 01:27 AM) |
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m3gaman Since: 12-28-05 From: Geelong, AUS Last post: 6502 days Last view: 6502 days |
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Call me crazy but i loved X  They got rid of the crappy atb system and the story was dam good, there aint alot of games ill spend 200 hours in lol |
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Ailure Mr. Shine I just want peace...  Since: 11-17-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| Final Fantasy is a overated series to begin with. I played some of the FF games, and they honestly bore me and is kinda meh compared to other RPG's. :/ And the series is plagued with the worst fanboys the earth have seen.
I enjoy some of the RPG's square have done, but not the FF ones. :/ |
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Ogre Paragoomba  Since: 07-12-06 Last post: 6390 days Last view: 6390 days |
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Originally posted by ColinI've played it, it is made of good and win. However, I know that there will be LEGIONS of fanboys that absolutely despise it. There are simple reasons I liked 12, which I'll go ahead and mention in a second, but they are also the reasons I know fanboys will hate it, because they went and made the game totally different. -I like being able to SEE what I'm about to pick a fight with, not get blindsided by monster. -I love the more realistic aspect of mobs running in fear and looking for help like you see in MMO's and 12. -I enjoy seeing the growth systems differ from standard Gain level, get skills complex so many games have. -I like the immersion of being in control of one character while you rely on others to do thier jobs, but are still free to give them commands when needed. (btw: Passive mode is for pussies.) I'm an MMO tard obviously, mostly because their combat systems are more like what actual combat would be like. Not an orderly, organized mauling. Also, in regards to FF series, the villain's have gotten more interesting as they progressed. Screw Kefka, Kefka was a quack. No development on his character on WHY he decided to blow the world up, he just did. OH BOY. At least we know what drove Sephiroth or Seymour to thier actions, making them more likeable. (Seymour > Sephiroth though.) Also look at their development on archetypes, before Tifa can you think of one female in the FF series that was not only physically strong, but willfully too? Only Faris comes close; Rosa, Rydia, Celes(emobitch), Relm, and Terra were all pushovers. Oh, and just for the hell of it, favorite FF games in order: 12, 10, 7, 6, 4.* Favorite RPG's in general: FF12, Shadow Hearts 2, Suikoden 5, Chrono Trigger, Xenogears. *=Bite me, I don't care what you think about my order. The series has gotten BETTER in it's agefor the most part, don't dwell on the past. |
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6409 days Last view: 6409 days |
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Originally posted by Ogre You know why Sephiroth decided to nuke the planet? Because I sure don't. As far as I can tell he didn't like the way he was born. Is there more to it than that? Probably something that had to do with Jenova that was mangled in the translation? EDIT: I sorta vaugely remember it having something to do with the will of Jenova and wanting to please him/her/it. Which... I don't really find too compelling. Also, I recall Terra overcoming the fact that she was an alien in the world, and her father's death, and amnesia, and whatnot. I don't really recall Tifa overcoming... anything. Except maybe her inablity to find a properly-sized bra. (edited by witeasprinwow on 07-15-06 06:01 PM) (edited by witeasprinwow on 07-15-06 06:02 PM) (edited by witeasprinwow on 07-15-06 06:02 PM) |
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Sweet Kassy Molassy Out of ice cream and PB. Would KILL for a milkshake right now. Since: 06-17-06 From: LoozeeAnna Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| FF12? Did I miss something?
And Terra > Tifa. I loved FFVI despite it's horribly flawed character development. I won't buy new FF games on principal though because again, it's just a name that fuels the marketing machine. Games should be about innovation, not adding a famous name to the next cookie-cutter piece that rolls off the assembly line. |
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Dr_Death16   970 Since: 05-07-06 From: Iowa Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| Square enix has turned into a machine, similar to sports game franchises. Recently, they just recycle the final fantasy name, add one or two new elements to the last game they made, and put it out as something new and exciting. They don't delve into their full capabilities and could produce better, but what they give us is decent and its not like we have a choice. It's not going downhill so much as Squenix is adjusting what they are able to produce to incur the greatest profit. That's capitalism for you. | |||
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Sweet Kassy Molassy Out of ice cream and PB. Would KILL for a milkshake right now. Since: 06-17-06 From: LoozeeAnna Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6299 days |
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Originally posted by Dr_Death16 Well if they produced a groundbreaking kickass game wouldn't that produce very profitable returns? |
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Dr_Death16 970 Since: 05-07-06 From: Iowa Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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Originally posted by KasdarackOriginally posted by Dr_Death16 You'd think so, but it might take so much to produce such a superior game that profits would be lower. And, they'd exhaust a ton of great ideas all on one game, when they could spread those ideas out into multiple games and get 10x the profit. See what I mean? |
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asdf Link's Awakening ಠ_ಠ  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| Once a series reaches its high point, it's all downhill from there. Maybe there will be a few bumps to make things better every now and then, but other than that...
Are they milking the series? Yes. Are they doing a crappy job of it? Yes. Compare FFTA to the original FFT. The impression I got from FF11 after a while of it being out is "here's a MMORPG to let things blow over while we work on our next title". Your opinion may vary, but I personally don't think it was very Final Fantasy. A "random" thing that someone else noticed is that the main characters just get more and more flamboyant and homosexual-looking with each game. As that person put it, the FF12 main character "makes Tidus look manly." Also, they really need to stop it with the remakes. It's starting to get boring really fast (even with the extras that are included). I want to see something else that isn't FF get remade for once. Maybe Actraiser or Live A Live, or perhaps even E.V.O. Now, I'm not saying the FF remakes are bad, it's just that they're getting old. I could go on with extremist-esque opinions, such as continued bickering about how they seem to be more focused on the "body" of the character rather than their personality and attacking every single cliché in sight for all it's worth, but...I won't.  |
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Sweet Kassy Molassy Out of ice cream and PB. Would KILL for a milkshake right now. Since: 06-17-06 From: LoozeeAnna Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| Yes. I would steal babies from unwed mothers for a new Actraiser game or even a nice remake of the first two. | |||
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6409 days Last view: 6409 days |
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Originally posted by asdf There are good remakes and bad remakes. Metroid Zero Mission is Metroid 1, but it is so much more. It's really a re-thinking of the game with modern values, and not as much a pure remake. Nobody wants to play FF1 again. It was new back then, it's horribly dated today. Even if you fancy it up and all, you can't hide the fact that it is intrinsicly a 1980's game and doesn't live up to today's standards. Same with the supposed FFVII remake, in my opinion. Unless they fix up the plot, but I doubt they'd do that. And, from what I have heard, FF12 is stellar. However, I probably won't be buying a PS3 to play it. Unless it's coming out on the Wii? I doubt it. |
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6491 days Last view: 6491 days |
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| That was why Kefka was a genius character, dweeb. He had nothing to gain and nothing to lose by blowing up the world. He was completely bat shit insane. He was a god damned clown to boot. Clowns are normally joyous, jolly, benevolent, and care free. It created a very bizarre image. | |||
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Dr_Death16 970 Since: 05-07-06 From: Iowa Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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Originally posted by ziffhasnoaim/password Also, Kefka was pretty well developed, you had to laugh at most of the things he said, they were highly vindictive, yet hilarious. And in addition, he was mildly unpredictable (I think we all knew he was going to whack Gestahl, though). |
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cpubasic13 I'm ahead of myself... Wait...  Since: 11-17-05 From: Citra, Fl. Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| The series is failing, yes. Big time.
In fact, out of the Playstation FFs, my favorite are IX and Tactics. IX because it was just... good. It actually required me to actually train all my party members to get though some parts of the game because that character had one advatage that I needed for a cruicial battle instead of loading up my main character and two others with as many moves as possible and just pressing the X button down each battle. Then Tactics. FFTA doesn't even compare to how good FFT is. The story, the gameplay, the customization. Its just... wow. It doesn't censor "shit" like VII did as well. Besides, its the only game I managed to actually get a save file up to 99:99:99 time. And the fact that I am playing it again and again still shows how much I truly like it. For everything, not just story and not just gameplay, but both.
And Kefka... hehehe. That laugh was awesome. Although I never finished that game... I still enjoyed it. He was just... evil. And funny.
VII I was into for some time, but then after a while, I started laughing at how cheesy and dull the story was. VIII I gave up since I was doing 200 damage on Disc 3 while the enemy kept killing me. I had no idea how that happened, as before I was doing damage in the 1000s and all of a sudden my attack just crashed. No idea as to how it happened, but I wasn't going to go through boring sections of the game again. X, I played for about an hour and never touched it again. I just... didn't find it good. So, I no longer like the Final Fantasy series. I am still awaiting the FINAL Final Fantasy game, though, as it has been final for too many years now. TIME FOR A NEW TITLE, PLEASE! |
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Celice Gordo  Since: 11-17-05 From: Oroville, CA Last post: 6304 days Last view: 6300 days |
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Not as much a new title as new games. What happened to all the extra RPGs, like Live-A-Live and Bahamut Lagoon and whatnot. It seems like Square screwed off every other chance for a new game in favor of more Final Fantasy  |
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Emptyeye Oneofthebiggestlegendsand starseverinthis...GOD! Ceremonial Full Moderator Since: 11-17-05 From: I DUNNOOOOOOOO!! Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| Don't forget that a lot of those "extra RPGs" never saw official release in the first place in the US.
ALSO: You'll note that a lot of the same people that complain that "The series is going downhill, why don't they make games more like (Insert their favorite FF title here)?" then turn around and complain that "There are too many remakes, why aren't they doing something different?" Squeenix (lololol) are really damned if they do, damned if they don't. As a fun aside, if we presume that my "favorite" games in the series are the ones I've played through more than once (In various forms), then that honor would go to two games in particular: IV...and the original. Whoops, so much for "The original hasn't aged well".... And for the record, my opinion of "FFVI is an incredible half a game" continues to stand. EDIT: That's an interesting filter. (edited by Emptyeye on 07-16-06 01:08 PM) |
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