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asdf Link's Awakening ಠ_ಠ                     Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| You don't own the world, nor do you have command over it.
If you don't know what I'm talking about, see this video of how they're threatening trade sanctions against Sweden unless they shut down thepiratebay. The video is mostly in Swedish, but is dubbed in English. Now, while opinions on piracy may be extremely varied, I think we can all agree the US Government is going a little too far. thepiratebay has also apparantly had similar trouble in the past, as this blog reveals. Discuss. (edited by asdf on 06-24-06 12:45 PM) (edited by asdf on 06-24-06 12:46 PM) (edited by asdf on 06-24-06 01:23 PM) |
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Tarale    2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| omfg what?
Okay, the US Government need not concern itself so heavily with copyright laws, IMHO. Don't they have other more important things to do, like the heath, and such of their citizens?? WTF indeed. |
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6405 days Last view: 6405 days |
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| The Pirate Bay is shut down for now anyways...
But I don't see how this is wrong, per-se. It's a simple trade sanction; we're not sending in tanks and missles. I also don't see how you can support piracy. I don't agree with the RIAA and other fantatics either who think suing everyone and everything is the way to stop piracy, but I don't see how shutting this site down isn't a step in the right direction. The Pirate Bay isn't helping the situation at all. Originally posted by Tarale I don't see how this takes resources away US citizens. Like I said, this is an issue that concerns America, amongst other countries. Several of the companies being hit by piracy are American companies (Hollywood and major record companies are all American), so it's in America's interest to ensure that everyone has to pay fairly for their work. I'm pretty sure that if Sweden owned the music/movie industry, and America been the safe-haven for downloading, Sweden would be trying the same things on America. PS - This is probably in the wrong forum. Debate forum, anyone? (edited by witeasprinwow on 06-24-06 02:55 PM) (edited by witeasprinwow on 06-24-06 02:59 PM) (edited by witeasprinwow on 06-24-06 02:59 PM) |
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asdf Link's Awakening ಠ_ಠ Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by witeasprinwow I'd prefer it stay here. This was more intended an issue of news, not an issue of debate about piracy and the morality of it. Most debates I've seen end up a stall war of opinions anyhow. 
And for the record, thepiratebay is back up. (edited by asdf on 06-24-06 03:02 PM) |
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6405 days Last view: 6405 days |
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Originally posted by asdf When you make a statement like this: Originally posted by asdf Then you are asking for a debate. Also, I had no clue TPB was back up. Thanks. (edited by witeasprinwow on 06-24-06 03:02 PM) |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| TPB came back up days after the announcement and they're going to have multiple servers now.
I can't see countries backing the United States on a "file sharing = trade sanctions" thing anyways. |
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DarkSlaya 930 Gamma Ray  Since: 11-17-05 From: Montreal, Canada Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Arggg.
I fucking hate this fucking whole fucking copyfuckingright fucking thing. Also, the whole tab=illegal things should die die die die die. [/rant] But this doesn't surprise me. At this point, nothing is gonna surprise me. EDIT: Tarale: No, it has nothing better to do. As long as it gets money. (edited by DarkSlaya on 06-24-06 09:16 PM) |
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6405 days Last view: 6405 days |
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Originally posted by DarkSlaya Holy fucking shit, I agree COMPLETELY on tabs. Courts have no CLUE what the fuck they're talking about when it comes to tabulature or sheet music rights. They want us to buy the band's "official" tab books, even though most companies don't even ask the band if the tabs are right but instead just hire someone to tab it and make a book out of it? When half the time the "official" tabs are wrong anyways? Fuck that. I have better things to spend my money on. Pretty soon you'll have to pay them a fee if your buddy comes over and teaches you a song. What the fuck? |
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Cynthia Uh-huh. Since: 11-17-05 From: LaSalle, Quebec, Canada Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| As far as I'm concerned, if you LISTEN to the song yourself and COME UP with the tabs, even if they're identical to what's being played, it's fine since you came up with it. Only way I see tabs being illegal is if you plagarized them from a book. Other than that... | |||
HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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I always laugh when I hear things like this. It's seeming more and more like America's economy is depending entirely on the sales of movies and music, which results in more and more hilarious - but at the same time sad - attempts to protect them.
Originally posted by witeasprinwow So what, you disagree with him?  |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I just don't see still how this is the Government's problem, other than that the RIAA and MPAA had a cry to them about it. |
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6405 days Last view: 6405 days |
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Originally posted by HyperMackerel I think I made it pretty clear that I think this is a rational move. I haven't heard any real reason why not. American economy relies on movies and music? Since when is this? If anything, oil is the hot topic for America, not movies and music. And what the hell is wrong with trying to protect copyrighted material? Originally posted by Tarale But the RIAA and MPAA can't really influence other countries. They could write a letter to TPB, and I'm sure those guys would just put it on their website and make fun of it. The government had to step in to get the wheels turning. (edited by witeasprinwow on 06-25-06 02:21 AM) |
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neotransotaku Sledge Brother Liberated from school...until MLK day  Since: 11-17-05 From: In Hearst Field Annex... Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Tarale The U.S. Constitution gives Congress the power of commerce regulation or something along those lines. Thus, if companies don't get their money, then the government losses out on a bunch of taxes is the euphoric explanation |
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Darkness Goomba Since: 05-09-06 Last post: 6514 days Last view: 6514 days |
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| Just another attempt at the US Government to control the rest of the world and it's own people. I wonder if they are ever going to give up trying to stop pirates, they are never going to win unless they implant us all with microchips and take control of are brains, or they find a way to monitor incredible amounts of people at one time. | |||
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6405 days Last view: 6405 days |
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Originally posted by Darkness How does this have to do with "The rest of the world" and not America? TPB is ripping off American companies. How is that not America's problem? Why shouldn't they take action to protect their own companies, just like any other country would do in their position? |
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Darkness Goomba Since: 05-09-06 Last post: 6514 days Last view: 6514 days |
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Originally posted by witeasprinwowOriginally posted by Darkness The Pirate Bay is not ripping of American Companies, people themselves that go to those sites and download torrents are ripping off American Companies. Torrents dont contain the actual content. The Pirate Bay might be considered an enabler though, but it is not the one ripping them off. |
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witeasprinwow Since: 12-29-05 Last post: 6405 days Last view: 6405 days |
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Originally posted by Darkness I understand how torrents work, but TPB is still responsible because they are organizing and encouraging that kind of illegal activity. Without sites like TPB/mininova/whatever that become hubs for torrents, it would be much harder to locate and download illegal material over the internet. They serve no other purpose than downloading, so there is no reason for them to remain up or be protected by law. (Obviously, this only applies to sites that do not ensure that the torrents they host are legal. Plenty of sites use torrents legally. I'm not arguing against torrent software in and of itself, only certain uses of it.) TPB is still responsible. They are not the only link in the chain, but they are still a big part of American companies getting ripped off. If I distract the guards while my buddy robs a safe, I am still part of the robbery, even though I am not actually the one moving the money; or in this case, the files. (edited by witeasprinwow on 06-30-06 05:34 PM) (edited by witeasprinwow on 06-30-06 05:37 PM) (edited by witeasprinwow on 06-30-06 05:38 PM) |
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Sweet Kassy Molassy Out of ice cream and PB. Would KILL for a milkshake right now.  Since: 06-17-06 From: LoozeeAnna Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| We wouldn't feel the need to pirate as badly if the companies we're stealing from didn't gouge the shit out of us on prices and policy in the first place. I dunno about the MPAA, but the RIAA can shut the fuck up. It doesn't represent the actual recording artists anyway. A band might make $2 off of each cd. So why do they cost $18?
And what happened to peoples' fair use rights? There is a big push for every piece of media we own requiring liscenses. Just... arg. I can't talk about this anymore. |
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Cruel Justice I have better things to do. Since: 11-18-05 From: At my house! Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| The US is practically turning into a Nazi Nation... they are so restrictive of everything now, coming up with the dumbest laws. Without question, this is one of their idiotic rants. Pirating will happen no matter what and there's nothing anyone can do about it. | |||
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Xkeeper Took the board down in a blaze of glory, only to reveal how truly moronical ||bass is. Since: 11-17-05 From: Henderson, Nevada Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| [MP/RI]AA: GOV'T PLEASE MAKE LAWS / RESTRICTIONS AGAINST X SO WE CAN MAKE MORE MONIES
GOV'T: WHY SHOULD WE THIS IS PROBABLY NOT RIGHT [MP/RI]AA: WE CAN GIVE YOU MONIES! GOV'T: OH OK HERE WHATEVER YOU WANT 
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