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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - ROM Hacking - Scene Death |
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Bit-Blade                 Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6407 days |
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| Before anyone reems in on me for making another topic about this, let me disclaim right now that isn't isn't some kind of alarm call to action. These are just my views on the rom hacking community as a whole and what I personally think of it's decline. Take them or leave them as you will. This thread is more intended to lead to a discussion of the issue rather than an argument.
First, you have to think about the romhacking generation. Most of us grew up playing Super NES, NES, and Sega Genesis games. For most of us this is one very big reason why we hack- to extend our love of this style of gaming and give it new life. At an even baser level romhacking is just another exp See, what I'm getting at is that more and more today, kids aren't going to be able to readilly apreciate NES and SNES games unless their parents inspire them to. They're the ones growing up with childhood memories of the Nintendo 64, the Playstation, the Saturn and beyond that in some cases. They don't have the background to apreciate rom hacking like most of us do (and by this I mean that because we predominantly hack NES and SNES games, the old 2D styles. We know all about that). I think that this younger generation is more than likely much less accepting of this aged styled of gaming. There are many other contributing factors to the present state of romhacking, and quite honestly I don't know if there's a damn thing we can do to stop it. One such factor could be interest. I beleive that the general interest in romhacking has been dropping by degrees over the years. Perhaps only recently has it become so severe that we are now taking notice of it. The old rom hacking groups that used to be around have all but imploded. Even some of the most titanic web sites in emulation and rom hacking have taken a turn for the worse. We've lost quite a lot that made rom hacking what it used to be. Now, I'm not saying that romhacking is all together dead. This is more like a slump- a complicated slump that has many, many contributing factors, probably more than a few I haven't even considered yet. I think perhaps this is just the way it goes. We aren't necesarilly helpless to stop it but I don't know is enough of us care enough. Personally I think it's going to take me quite a while to stop entirely, and I may never stop. I really love this hobby, and I know there are many of you that feel the same. Still... that's the situation as I see it. Others may have things that are perhaps a bit more insightful to add. |
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xcomgs Newcomer   Since: 11-19-05 Last post: 6706 days Last view: 6706 days |
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| I agree Bit. The only way I see NES and SNES goodness again is with Nintendo and the Revolution allowing downloading of old games. However, we have downloading fees with that. Then there is also the fact that Nintendo has been trying to revive the NES and SNES with the GBA. The remakes and the E-cards and the NES Collection....which you could of bought the e cards.... | |||
Omega45889 Shyguy Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6335 days |
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| The main reason for the decline in rom hacking is very simple. The group that likes to hack (in other words, us) are getting older.
None of these new 3d games can be hacked to any extent worthwhile. It’s just not feasible to make large changes without source and tools which would take forever to create. Now, the younger population is only interested in these 3d games, so they will never come to appreciate 2d gaming as we have. Since they have no interest in 2d gaming, they will clearly have no interest in 2d hacking, and these are the only people who have lots of free time.. Now, because of the decline of 2d gaming, there won’t be any new young hackers coming to the scene, which means its up to us to keep it alive. However, since most of us are in the 18-25 year range (rough estimate based on what I’ve noticed around here), we are at a critical stage in our lives. I personally have almost zero time for rom hacking right now with exams in 2 weeks, tests all over the place, essays due all week, work (extremely busy now that its Xmas), and all my other hobbies. I mean, for gods sake, its 2:30 am, and I’m studying for my calc test which is in like 6 hour, I’ve got to write a project for my comp sci class tomorrow afternoon, and i have a history article review which was due last week to finish. How am I going to find time to rom hack? This only goes to show how its not the lack of desire to hack, but the lack of time. Even though I have the time I want to devote to it a few times a year, that’s not nearly enough to release something I would be proud of in any short period of time. I think that we will either see a huge boom in the scene in 4 or 5 years when we all have our lives in order, and a few hours a night to spend on it as we please, or, the scene will be completely forgotten about. My money is on the former. I hope my views help deter the impending doom feeling, cause the rom hacking scene is by no means static. People should really look at the big picture rather than the rushed 2 months before Xmas and exams. |
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DahrkDaiz Nipper Plant U wan hax Mario?!  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6288 days Last view: 6287 days |
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| People have been saying the rom hacking community is dying/slump or whatever ever since I've been rom hacking (3 years ago). | |||
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Xkeeper Took the board down in a blaze of glory, only to reveal how truly moronical ||bass is.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Henderson, Nevada Last post: 6287 days Last view: 6287 days |
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| Not nessacarily ROM Hacking, but emulation in general. Lots of big emulation sites have died and rotted away, as have several translation/ROM hacking sites and groups.
Even I've noticed it, too. It just seems to be really slow as of now... |
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Ailure Mr. Shine I just want peace...  Since: 11-17-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6287 days Last view: 6287 days |
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Originally posted by DahrkDaizTo be honest, I swear whenever I go I keep hearing about "X is dying". I mean... oh wait, the world is dying. Ok, things might not be as wild in the emulation world as it used to be but on the other side I still hear alot about emulation amongst classmates (Well, I did on my old high school at least. Althought none cared about the mechanics behind) So, I wouldn't be worried anyway. Althought, I think it's kind of a shame how one of the bigger emulation sites (Zophar) is just... sad now. :/ So I have to agree with that, but... personally I want to see fresh blood in the mix. We need a replacment for Zophar. Zophar is just... dead and stale. More stale than dead. And oh, I realised that most children dosen't care as much about graphics as some people think. I mean, why does it bother people so much if hacking is less popular? The average hack seemed to be stupid graphics hack or "Yet another five-level hack for SMW". --; |
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Omega45889 Shyguy Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6320 days Last view: 6335 days |
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Oh, i agree that the scene doesnt need to be big to be good, but the more crappy hacks out there, the better i look  .
If people think that we need a new rom hacking site, i would be happy to make one. I just thought that it would never succeed, so i shouldnt even bother. Maybe ill build one in the new year when ive got time. |
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Bit-Blade Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6407 days |
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| Omega, your ideas are a bit more expanded than mine, but generally speaking we're in the same ball park.
And no, the scene doesn't need to be big to be good. Bigger isn't always better. Be that as it may, it sure as hell would help. Once romhacking regains it's equilibrium when iconic emulation or rom hacking sites take up the slack that Zophar's and others have left, things should pick up. Luckilly these will be run smoothly enough to cause us little concern. Why do I care or bother to post shit like this, you wonder? Call it love. I don't like to see this hobby or this community suffer anymore than I enjoyed seeing TEK tear itself to pieces. I'd rather it be prosperous and positively booming with acitivy and prospective talent. Apathy would be a VERY bad thing for rom hacking right now. |
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Celice Gordo  Since: 11-17-05 From: Oroville, CA Last post: 6291 days Last view: 6287 days |
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| I don't know about you guys, but almost every time I try to get someone to join, they say they don't have the time, or think it's too hard, or says they only want to do a specific game. Just felt like saying that :/
All I have to say is, as time goes on, we're going to lose intrest on older systems. Now, with the revival of older games through the Revolution, we may see a sharp rise, but I myself highly doubt it. I don't think we'll die, but we are seeing a smaller future than before. And I just feel like throwing this out: I started hacking (at the time, more like modifying) around the age of 13, and I always go for the NES or SNES games. Sometimes the gameboy games, but on the whole, newer systems jsut seem so advanced. I still can't believe what's been found with Mario 64 and the like, but it has. While I also highly doubt the unveiling of anything higher tahn the current generation game data, the more we ourselves uncover, the more later generations that weren't raised on the classics have a reason to mess around with the said game. Ish. I just felt like saying something. |
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KTurbo Poppy Bros. Jr Since: 11-19-05 From: Schweden Last post: 6290 days Last view: 6288 days |
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Quality is better than quantity, Zophar ain't quality...
Originally posted by Celice And death to the people.. |
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Blue Falkon Hoarder Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada Last post: 6494 days Last view: 6494 days |
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| I love old games... I believe that that's one benefit of ROM hacking. I've been thinking about that too... about children growing up with these newer-generation consoles and games. They won't be able to experience the fun of the old games unless we get them too, and if we do, they probably won't care because they love this more flashy stuff. ROM hacking kind of brings the fun back. | |||
Matrixz Micro-Goomba  Since: 11-28-05 Last post: 6405 days Last view: 6287 days |
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| I think the release of Data Crystal was a sort of nice bless. A romhacking/romhack/utility database like what Data Crystal is becoming, is probably an idea alot had, but there's actually several updates every day, showing people have time to maintain it and there's activity. Besides, its obvious that people these days are still working on their hacks and stuff, although there's long periods between releases.
Me, my interest for romhacking and the like doesnt seem it will be replaced in many years. School is pushing me right now but school doesnt work for me anyway. I spend the time i can on the romhacking-related things i do. |
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Bit-Blade Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6407 days |
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| Let's not totally alienate the non NES/SNES generation here XD. I don't think they're incapable of apreciating 2d games (especially if their parents raised them right o.-). I even suspect that there has to be at least a few people in scene that are young enough not to necesarilly have grown up around them. Ha... I'm rather amused by the thought that when I have kids I could steer them in the right direction. My NES will probably still work by then.
KT, you should try explaining yourself a little better, if you don't mind. Before I start criticising and condemning you for a point a view you don't necesarilly have. Don't spout off general sayings like that without explaining yourself. I just took at look at Data Crystal. I knew it was only a matter of time before someone took up the slack XD. Damn glad to see it happen. Xcom, these sly dogs took the idea of a romhacking wiki right under your nose. Rather than resenting that you might consider talking to the head man there and see what he has to say. Unity is better than desparity, in this case. We might all consider contributing to that wiki. Also, with luck, xcom, you may not even need to do anything more drastic than maintaining WikiRAM. |
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KTurbo Poppy Bros. Jr Since: 11-19-05 From: Schweden Last post: 6290 days Last view: 6288 days |
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| I thought that was clear and simple.
You see, I like Zophar, all great with everything. But I don't like how the site is arrrage, pop ups and you don't really get what you're actually downloading. I pretty much ditto what Ailure said. In my opinion the community do need a... fresh start. Make it more attractive to make people connect. On the other hand it's really hard to make all kids play our retro games, since they're just up for fancy graphics and long game time. How do make people play games they're not interested in? That, I don't know. When I first entered the community I wanted to make a good impression and get well-known, therefore I started X-hackers. But I didn't take my responsibility, and X-hackers slowly died. I think the community do need some hacking groups, make it more of a competition, so the group members really want to make a good hack. Giving the group credit, making them even more motivated. If a new hacker's in a group he/she are less ashame of asking questions. Bit, do not criticize me, this is just my opinion. |
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Bit-Blade Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6407 days |
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| KT, your post was so obscure I wasn't SURE what your opinion was. There were way too many ways to misunderstand it. I was trying to be thoughtful. That's all I meant. Let's not turn this into something any more unecesary than it already is. And thanks for obliging me, by the way. That post was much more englightening and I don't really have a problem with it.
Hearing you say 'fancy graphics' makes me feel like we ARE getting old and jaded. Like old men sitting around complaining about fancy schancy technology and how in THEIR day they did all of that themselves, nevermind the covenience of getting pretty much any kind of informatio you could possibly want from the internet, they did without and therefore so could all the young pups they don't understand. |
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KTurbo Poppy Bros. Jr Since: 11-19-05 From: Schweden Last post: 6290 days Last view: 6288 days |
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Originally posted by Bit-Blade We're cool. |
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The Sage Of Time Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6571 days Last view: 6571 days |
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Originally posted by Xkeeper This is true. My interest in emulation used to be very, very high.. As was hacking games. But now, it's declined considerably to the point where I just hardly care at all. And I imagine a majority of us feel the very same way. Perhaps we're all just getting older and finding new more lasting hobbies, perhaps some of us just lack the time. I don't know, but it passed it's prime sometime ago; and it's coming to an end for our generation.. And unfrotunately the current generation aren't too avidly interested in Emulation, and are occupied by the newer consoles and games. (I am not saying they can't enjoy emulation and ROM hacking, but rather.. Will they come looking? Will they care to reflect back on the older games when there is so much new? The appeal, the draw there is far less than it was for us.) So I don't see things ever becoming as great as they once were before.. Dying out completely though.. I don't think so. It will probably yes, but not just yet.. Theres time and life left, and there can always be that niche community of dedicated hackers. (Even if they don't do a lot.) |
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Heran_Bago Bronto Burt  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6663 days Last view: 6663 days |
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| Cracks, Trainers, and Translations are still very much a part of the piracy scenes. Don't forget that one of the first kinds of ROM hacking was cracking a game so that it was possible to play the ROM somehow. | |||
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xcomgs Newcomer Since: 11-19-05 Last post: 6706 days Last view: 6706 days |
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Originally posted by Matrixz Fuck Data Crystal. They dont have shit. WikiRAM has organization, way more data, and importing .nl files. I still dont get why people love Data Crystal! |
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Heran_Bago Bronto Burt Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6663 days Last view: 6663 days |
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| I would scold the flaming/trolling, but after visiting that wiki I'd say yes, Data Crystal is pathetic. |
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