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Kingpin                   Since: 11-21-05 From: Amarillo, TX Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Evolution is a theory, it cant be proven, so nothing about it can or probably ever will be proven.
When God breathed the breath of life into Adam and Eves lungs, he was giving them their soul. Every other living thing, he just told to live, and it did. More than likely, test tube babies and things of that sort, probably don't even have souls. So if you could reproduce without sex, you child probably wouldnt have a soul. You can say I'm wrong, but this ultimately doesnt matter. I cant prove all of my points, and you can't prove your points. Its all belief and speculation. |
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C:/xkas bio.asm Compiled ASM code  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| yes, evolution can't be proven, since it is impossible to warp in time to know what truly happened, but think about it, one of them got ton of scientifical and archeological proof, while the other one have the biggest plot hole of all bible story(how Adam and Eve son manage to reproduce?)
and, since the creation of christianity, most of their theory got proven wrong, here some exemple: -cloud is dust moved by God foot -Earth is flat -every object will stay the same no matter how small you cut it(no atom  )
-the whole universe cycle around earth(after all, how can God don't put us at the center of HIS universe )
-probably other I don't renember Christianity finally accepted they were wrong in all those, but they will probably never accept they were wrong about the creation of mankind and the creation of life in general |
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Billiards Koopa Red Paratroopa  Since: 04-21-06 From: Far away from a carnival, one ride tried to kill me (no lie) Last post: 6502 days Last view: 6502 days |
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| Yeah, that's...wierd. Makes me wonder what they WEREN'T wrong about...Jesus could have had a child and his deciples not know... | |||
ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6487 days Last view: 6487 days |
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Originally posted by Bio.exe 1. That is relative to the concept of the Unmoved Mover. 2. Atomic theory existed in Early Christian theory. Pseudo-Dionysius the Areopagite and Plotinus touched on some of these topics. Later theology under Robert Grossetet also touched on such subjects 3. The universe theorum isn't inherently Christian. If people would pull their heads out of their asses they'd realize that the Muslims also thought of the universe in a system of spheres. No argumentation on their theology though. This whole thing is just a giant attack on Catholic theology. The idea of the spherical universe comes from Greek mythology and later Aristotle. That said it is pure ignorance amongst the unwashed masses that this was the ONLY way of interpreting the universe at the time. Many Greek philosophers opposed Aristotle's ideas. Of course his school of thought over powered them. However, such strains of thought lasted well into the days of the Roman empire and there was much debate on this front. It continued well past St. Augustine's time. In fact I remember reading a letter to St. Jerome about this topic. It actually brings up theological debates. I think that this system of thought was lost in the Dark Ages (which weren't all that Dark, they're just irritating). However, during the Renaissance of the 12th century and later High Middle Ages such ideas were debated amongst the fledgingly universities and the aging Cathedral schools. Finally. I'm no longer going to listen to this individual. There was never, ever, a strain of serious thought about the Earth being flat. Ptolemy's work couldn't have been done without the Earth being round. Why then was everything envisioned as a sphere if the central sphere was flat? The sphere is perfect and the Earth (not man) is perfect. The ancient Greeks knew the world wasn't flat. So too did the Romans. I doubt anyone took that idea very seriously. Too bad it was cooked up by a man named Washington Irving as a tongue-in-cheek joke. Too bad the modern education system takes a cue from the Renaissance and the reformation. Both of which sought to discredit the Mediaeval ages. edit:: BilliardsKoopa...have you actually read a single post in this thread? On that topic we've answered that people have surmised that Christ DID have a child in Gnostic texts. However it wouldn't matter if the Church knew or not. The fact that he had had a child in no way sways the Church. The argument that Christ's bloodline existing today would kill the Church is a foolish one that is being pushed forward by fools. (edited by ziffhasnoaim/password on 06-12-06 04:12 PM) |
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Kario This is probably not quite related to the subject, but am I the only one who finds that thought a bit disturbing? If enough people believed that way, wouldn't it create a new, even more arbitrary means for discrimination against a minority? Also, everything that is considered to resemble true by science is just a theory, no matter how much evidence. |
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Randy53215 Melon Bug Since: 11-17-05 From: Greenfield, Wisconsin (U.S.A) Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Billiards Koopa Mary was his proclaimed mother. Incest? I dont think so, not to mention that this is a movie. I dont get why people blow it out of proportion. (edited by Randy53215 on 06-13-06 12:42 AM) |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6310 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Bio.exe can you show me in the Bible where any of these are stated? there is a difference between the ideas of the people that are a part of religion and the theology of a religion. |
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6487 days Last view: 6487 days |
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Originally posted by Randy53215Originally posted by Billiards Koopa Mary Magdalene. |
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C:/xkas bio.asm Compiled ASM code Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by geeogree well.... most of them were 'truth' defended by christianity, but here one from the bible: Nahum 1:3 3 The LORD is slow to anger and great in power; the LORD will not leave the guilty unpunished. His way is in the whirlwind and the storm, and clouds are the dust of his feet. on a sidenote, I will try to no longer post in this forum because I hate debating and I suck at it (edited by Bio.exe on 06-13-06 01:15 AM) (edited by Bio.exe on 06-13-06 01:16 AM) |
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6487 days Last view: 6487 days |
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| That's kind of a bad scriptural interpretation! But nonetheless...don't stop posting! How do you expect to learn or get good at debating? | |||
MathOnNapkins  1100  In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I could be wrong about this, but I do think if Jesus had had a child then it would have some affect on the Catholic church's doctrine. In particular, the idea that the priest is married to the Church, it is his bride. (And hence does not marry a woman.) As I recall, this is modeled after Jesus being without a wife, and instead married to the flock that is the church as a whole. And hence the very direct connection the priest has with the Trinity, and his ability to forgive sins. So from a theological point of view, I think it would have significant reverberations in that scheme. | |||
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C:/xkas bio.asm Compiled ASM code Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by ziffhasnoaim/password  that was unexpected, seriously, I was believing I was annoying most of you with my n00b-ness and that I'm better leave debating to the pro
about code davinci; I still don't see the what the fact Jesus had a son suppose to change except that Jesus ancestor would replace the pope or maybe it tried to prove that Jesus wasn't 'perfect' by proving he sinned by having sex. but again, it assuming that sex is a sin and that Jesus and Mary had a son, wich is unproven(edited by Bio.exe on 06-13-06 02:26 AM) (edited by Bio.exe on 06-13-06 02:26 AM) (edited by Bio.exe on 06-13-06 02:26 AM) (edited by Bio.exe on 06-13-06 02:26 AM) |
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MathOnNapkins 1100 In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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I think the Church considers having sex any of the fun "extra" ways to be sinful. Isn't it called Missionary position for a reason? (I'd look up the history behind but I'm at work and don't want that showing up in google's bar on a computer other people use  .) |
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6487 days Last view: 6487 days |
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Originally posted by MathOnNapkins If I remember correctly I asked a priest a few years back why they can't marry. Theologically the grounds in the Roman rites of the Catholic church relate to being married to the Church. Having no others. Why then do the Orthodox and Greek Catholic (and other related Catholic bodies) allow marriage? They simply don't ask for marriage to the Church. It doesn't really have anything to do with Christ.
ON THE MISSIONARY POSITION FROM WIKIPEDIA "The missionary position is a common human sex position also used by bonobos and armadillos... It is said that the name "missionary position" arose because this sex position was supposed to have been taught by Christian missionaries as the only "proper" sex position. The term is believed to have originated sometime between 1945 and 1965. Another possible explanation is that the term was coined by indigenes when first saw missionaries having sex in this position, unusual amongst them." Who knows!? All I know is that now I know how to have sex with armadillos! |
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MathOnNapkins 1100 In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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So basically your response is "Catholic priests get married to the church b/c they think it's a good idea. There's no real reason."  |
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6487 days Last view: 6487 days |
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| It shows absolute devotion to the Church and to God. With no one else to stand in the way.
That seems to be a reason. edit:: according to wikipedia (because I'm too lazy to go and look through my "Catholicism for Complete Idiots" book or any of my other books on the Church) we're both right. blah balh (edited by ziffhasnoaim/password on 06-13-06 03:44 AM) |
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MathOnNapkins 1100 In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Ah... says it's just a Latin-rite law, not a doctrine. Well I suppose that the precedent for that law would vanish then if Jesus fathered a child. In any case, I'd say the ultimate answer to this thread is that we'd all be reptites.  |
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Schweiz oder etwas [12:55] (Dr_Death16); I swear, the word drama needs to be stricken from the dictionary, for I've heard it so many times, it will permanently be imprinted on my brain  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kingston, Rhode Island Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I edited the thread title so that Jesus was spelled right.
Of the 25 threads in here that deal with religion, at least this one deserves an intelligent name. MON brings up a good point: What would exactly be so wrong with Jesus having a son? Does not humanity have the power to create life in their own way? Jesus, if he truly is the son of god, or god himself, has the power to do so in many ways, and yet he chose in his life to use the way that humans do. There's nothing really imperfect about having kids, and for all we know, if he did have a kid, he might have also been married in secret, or the kid might have been illegitimate. Oops. The gospel is only "according" to several members of Jesus' entourage, and even then, was a series of tales (true or not) passed down over the years before finally getting interpreted in a language we can understand. Somewhere along the line, the "sex is bad" part might have been thrown in, and Jesus' triumph in being what could truly be seen as a perfect human being (life without sin, and then passing genes on to a new generation to live in his image) might have needed alteration. I'm a little sans-coffee right now, so if anyone has a plethora of biblical passages with which to disprove my reasoning, feel free to do so at your own risk, knowing full well that you're just playing into my argument that sections of the bible might have been altered based on the moral views of the times in which it was written. EDIT: It's not that I object to her profession, But she doesn't fit in well with what you speak and say. It doesn't help us if you're inconsistent. They only need a small excuse to put us all away. Who are you to despise her? Who are you to criticize her? Leave her, leave her, let her be now! Leave her, leave her, she's with me now! If your slate is clean, then you can throw stones, If your slate is not, then leave her alone! I'm amazed that men like you Can be so shallow, thick and slow! There is not a man among you Who knows or cares if I come or go! (edited by Grey on 06-13-06 10:39 AM) |
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Jomb Deddorokku  Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| on the topic of staying on topic, i think threads get closed way too easy on Acmlm, so what if the thread is off on a tangent? Thats often-times how the most interesting conversations go. | |||
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Billiards Koopa Red Paratroopa Since: 04-21-06 From: Far away from a carnival, one ride tried to kill me (no lie) Last post: 6502 days Last view: 6502 days |
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I guess if really wanted to go off on a dif. topic you could start a new topic...but I am not a mod, and as not to be accused of Back-Seat Modding, I'll let a real mod do thier job... |
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