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Billiards Koopa Red Paratroopa                   Since: 04-21-06 From: Far away from a carnival, one ride tried to kill me (no lie) Last post: 6503 days Last view: 6503 days |
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| Okay, i just read the Da Vinci code and I thought (wow, THAT'S rare!) So what? Assuming Jesus slept with Mary and had a kid, does it make him any less holy? I don't think it makes a difference. Your thoughts? | |||
Silvershield   580    Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| The Da Vinci Code is fiction. Don't be one of the drooling masses who believe everything they read without careful examination. | |||
ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6487 days Last view: 6487 days |
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| Theologically speaking, it wouldn't matter. Christ is both fully man and fully divine. | |||
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| http://www.truthbeknown.com/origins.htm
It's an interesting read... regardless of what you think of it. |
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| There is one very obvious answer to the debate: "If I was Dan Brown, I would be a LOT wealthier than I am now."
I suppose that's not entirely relevant. As far as I'm concerned, Jesus' marriage and children or lack thereof has no significance to his role in theology. It wouldn't change the fact that he still lived the life he lived, and he still did the whole dying-for-your-sins thing. |
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Billiards Koopa Red Paratroopa Since: 04-21-06 From: Far away from a carnival, one ride tried to kill me (no lie) Last post: 6503 days Last view: 6503 days |
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Originally posted by Silvershield Uhh, I know, I may rarely think, but it isn't as if I'm a retard or anything. But people believe the Holy Grail is proof a supposed relationship between Jesus and Mary. The book deals with people who find it (FICTIONALLY). |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| The idea of Jesus as a father and husband is an old one. Dan Brown's just ripped off a bunch of old Gnostic texts and conspiracy theories for fun and profit. | |||
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6487 days Last view: 6487 days |
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| The connection of Holy Grail to this whole thing started up with morons not getting Mediaeval humour. The whole thing is very modern and really disconnected from many Early Christian writings.
I'm going to go ahead and break the truth - it is not supposed to be translated as Sangreal. Graal comes from gradalis. Thinking otherwise is stupid. |
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Billiards Koopa Red Paratroopa Since: 04-21-06 From: Far away from a carnival, one ride tried to kill me (no lie) Last post: 6503 days Last view: 6503 days |
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Originally posted by ziffhasnoaim/passwordAnd therein lies the problem. to believe that Jesus had a relationship with Mary, you have to belive that the Church covered it up! See, where I'm going here? Oh, and to cut down on the Dave Brown Bashing, he a rip off artist douchebag whose only acomplishment was a good book, 99% of which is stolen. [beneficii: fixed quote tags] (edited by beneficii on 06-09-06 03:43 AM) (edited by beneficii on 06-09-06 03:45 AM) |
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6487 days Last view: 6487 days |
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| No you don't.
If you had read my post rather than gleening what you wanted from it I made the distinction that the GRAIL MYTHOS relating to CHRIST AS A FATHER OF A CHILD AND MARY MAGADELENE AS MOTHER OF CHILD is modern. Why in the flying hell would the Church cover this up? It doesn't mean anything. Absolutely anything to Catholics. There is no theological grounding that said that Christ had to remain celibate, unmarried, and without children. The fact that He was of divinity does not mean that His blood-children would be. His children would be born of the womb and the act as a human is. Christ was born of a supernatural miracle through which He manifested Himself in the womb of Mary and became known as Jesus. Hence...TRINITARIAN BELIEFS OF MAINSTREAM CHRISTIANITY...yaaay! |
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MathOnNapkins 1100  In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Actually, from what I've read just in the opinion section of my local newspaper, most people are pretty upset, and consider it heresy to think that Jesus had a child with a whore. So notwithstanding the views of church leaders, it seems to be considered something that would reflect negatively on Jesus. And even though I don't practice Catholicism anymore, I have to admit I don't particularly like the idea either. I also believe those that consider it heresy are probably in the older age bracket, and us younger folk can handle a little bending and challenge to our beliefs. Oh and btw Ziff, before you say anything, I live near the University of Notre Dame, this is a very Catholic area  . |
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Billiards Koopa Red Paratroopa Since: 04-21-06 From: Far away from a carnival, one ride tried to kill me (no lie) Last post: 6503 days Last view: 6503 days |
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| You midunderstood, Ziff. If you belive that Jesus had a kid, you'd aks yourself, well why isn't this in the Bible? It had nothing to do with how modern it is. | |||
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6487 days Last view: 6487 days |
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Yeah, but those are what are called the "laity". The average Catholic hasn't really sat down and read encyclicals or studied much theology. The average one is going to be all up in arms, which is what the Church wants because it is publicity, while not understanding the doctrine. Again, on theological grounds...it wouldn't really matter if Christ had had a child with a hooker in East Harlem named Chokolundra. He is the son of God. He performed the miracles. He is the saviour. He is both fully man and fully divine. Again, theologically speaking, he can do whatever a dude does. Just because no one that was chilling with him before/after his death wrote about his wife might mean that it is simply placing emphasis on his teachings and miraculous childhood rather than a biography of his later life. And before YOU say anything one of my closest friends is a seminarian and I live in an all men Catholic college 
billiards that doesn't change the fact that you went ahead and fucking misread what I said. I said that there was a disconnect between the MODERNIZATION OF THE GRAIL MYTH and EARLY CHRISTIAN WRITINGS. |
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Billiards Koopa Red Paratroopa Since: 04-21-06 From: Far away from a carnival, one ride tried to kill me (no lie) Last post: 6503 days Last view: 6503 days |
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| Ooh, now I get it...sorry. But that's beside the point. Do you belive it, do you not belive it. And, in your opinions, would it matter if he did have a child? (edited by Billiards Koopa on 06-09-06 12:02 PM) |
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ziffhasnoaim/password Snifit Since: 06-07-06 Last post: 6487 days Last view: 6487 days |
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| I don't care if he had a child. It wouldn't make a lickin' diff to me. It might to some hard-liners on some sides of Christianity, but to those that worship with a brain it won't matter.
But I have stated that it really doesn't matter if he has had a child. It wouldn't shake any sort of fundamental foundation. The Roman emperors had children, who according to the imperial cult religion, were not gods. Other imperial cults are similar. |
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Kingpin Since: 11-21-05 From: Amarillo, TX Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Well, the thing is, if Jesus had a child, he would have been married. If he had a child out of wedlock, then he wouldn't have been perfect, meaning dying on the cross didn't count. | |||
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by MathOnNapkins Wouldn't that fit almost perfectly with the whole idea of "repent and be saved" that he preached throughout most of his life? To accept one typically seen as the bottom of the moral ladder because she repented and accepted salvation would be essentially the peak of what Jesus could've done for his message. Wouldn't it? It's how I see it, at least... The whole "heresy" thing sounds rather stupid to me. I found it actually rather amusing when the local news had a brief interview with a priest around here... He mentioned that it was fiction, and that the members of his congregation should go and watch it if they want to, but that he wasn't going to because he heard it wasn't a very good movie. |
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Billiards Koopa Red Paratroopa Since: 04-21-06 From: Far away from a carnival, one ride tried to kill me (no lie) Last post: 6503 days Last view: 6503 days |
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| Meh, I liked the film, despite the fact that I hate Tom Hanks (I don't know why...) It stayed true to the book, unlike the HP movies. | |||
Jomb Deddorokku  Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| The reason that Jesus having a child is so controversial, is because in most of Christianity sex is a sin. It is the origional sin in fact. So if Jesus had a child, that is evidence that he committed a sin, and so was not perfect and sinless, or that sex isn't actually a sin as the church would have you believe, because even Jesus liked to fuck. Depending on your interpretation of that possible event. Whether it is mentioned in the bible or not has little bearing on whether it happened, because the bible as we know it was cobbled together by committee a couple hundred years or so after the fact. The leaders of the church could have simply felt that it would have been detrimental to their ability to control the masses if Jesus had a child, so conveniently left it out. Or not. Maybe they were worried the Christ lineage would be seen as the rightful rulers of the church even over the pope. Personally, i would find Jesus a much more interesting mythological character if he had a wife and children, as it is, it just seems kinda odd that he would'nt have any children or a wife, ESPECIALLY back around 0 AD when a man his age still being a bachelor would have been very creepy and/or freakish. | |||
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Billiards Koopa Red Paratroopa Since: 04-21-06 From: Far away from a carnival, one ride tried to kill me (no lie) Last post: 6503 days Last view: 6503 days |
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| Exactly why I think he had a child, but the Church doesn't want to let us know. |
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