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Silvershield   580                    Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6313 days Last view: 6301 days |
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Originally posted by DanielleOk then, surrender your custom title. If it really isn't all that important, then you won't mind not having one for yourself  . |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata  Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6301 days |
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Originally posted by SilvershieldOriginally posted by DanielleOk then, surrender your custom title. If it really isn't all that important, then you won't mind not having one for yourself Ok, no more custom title 
Or were you talking to Danielle specifically? |
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Danielle 6730 Administratorrrr HELLO THERE   Since: 11-17-05 From: California Rate me ^_^ Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6301 days |
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Even if I wasn't on staff, I'd have legitimately earned it by now. |
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Ailure Mr. Shine I just want peace...  Since: 11-17-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6301 days |
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Originally posted by ||EyeL E Ss||I love how narcasstic this comments is. (and yes, I know he's banned) |
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Imajin Bot Local Moderator Currently affected by 'No syndrome' ---!!!  Since: 12-05-05 From: Camineet, Palm Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6302 days |
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I think I've twice inherited my custom title... But I had over 10,000 on the original AcmlmBoard, so I earned it multiple times over... 
And now I can't even get 150... But yeah, the Custom Title doesn't mean much- I suppose it's like the ranks, a little thing for making the board active... (in the right way) |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6313 days Last view: 6301 days |
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Originally posted by TaraleI was being sarcastic. Essentially, nothing is a "big deal" as long as it isn't detrimental to you. The five guys that I grouped with this year to enter next year's housing selection at my college all had a rather low total of priority points (the score that determines how a person ranks as far as what order they'll choose their living space), making our group average rather low even as mine personally was high. We ended up being forced into the least desirable dorm building on campus, while our two groups of friends had higher averages and each got the most desirable building. While I and my partners complain about how much we resent where we've ended up, our friends all talk about how great it would be to have the housing we have, citing reasons A, B, and C. "If it's really going to be so great," I ask them, "why don't you and I switch and I'll live in your spot next year while you take mine?" Naturally, they all refuse. You see, getting the short end of the stick isn't so bad as long as you've got the long end; it takes actually experience being screwed to understand how much being screwed sucks. Originally posted by DanielleSo? No matter what the reason for which you have it, you still play it off as it it's not a big thing. If it really isn't a big thing, surrender your right to have it at all. You spammed like crazy to have that stupid little custom title - and note that I don't mean to say that you, Danielle, have spammed, but that a great proportion of the higher post count users have a record of less than thoughtful posts - and it's not a big deal because it required so little effort. But try to post as I do - again, note that I'm using myself as an example rather than to paint myself as some sort of paragon - and you'll find that you'll probably never reach that sort of post count. I don't participate in any sort of thread that calls for little one-liner posts, or in any thread that encourages terse back and forth discussion; I aim for quality over quantity, to use the cliche. Originally posted by ImajinThe right way? Good luck finding any member with a significant post count who doesn't participate in the sort of thread that is a million pages worth of mindless stupidity. See most anything in the Craziness Domain, if you need an example. That forum is just sanctioned, thinly-veiled spamming. Edit: Just to back up what I've said, let me give you a rundown of the three top-ranked members' posting habits. Nothing against Alastor, Danielle, or Trapster, but all of the three have something in common. Alastor has twice as many posts in Craziness as in the next closest forum; Danielle's second most-posted forum is Craziness, following General Chat by a small margin (and, it should be noted, Gen Chat is often full of threads that are better suited to Craziness...); Trapster has at least 200 more posts in Craziness than in any other forum. Of the three, the Display Case also consitutes a significant percentage of posts, but a bit of delving demonstrates that that forum is full of mainly Craziness Domain threads or, at the very least, threads from less spammy forums that are individually somewhat spammy in nature anyway. I've gone through quite a bit of effort to prove something so trivial, but what it comes down to is that this board rewards people who post mindless garbage at as fast a rate as possible. That stupid custom title is supposed to be something of a status symbol that demonstrates a member's superiority in some respect, but those posters who have titles - or, at least the ones who achieve them quickly - are really superior only in that they can run around to worthless threads, post three lines of drivel, and bail out to dash to another similarly pointless thread. No offense intended, but seriously, the system is flawed. (edited by Silvershield on 05-13-06 03:48 AM) |
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MathOnNapkins 1100  In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| If it made you quit crying, I would gladly give you my custom title. And btw, I don't spam and I earned mine on the second board, it took about 9-12 months I believe. (3-4 posts per day). | |||
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6313 days Last view: 6301 days |
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Originally posted by MathOnNapkinsQuit crying? I'm hardly "crying" about anything. You guys all suck! I want a custom title too, and I don't want to work for it! You're all stupid spammers! That's crying. What I did was take the time to put together an argument far more comprehensive than is probably appropriate for the silly subject matter, but which is valid nonetheless. This isn't an issue of me complaining about something without reason, or protesting against a system that is essentially flawless, but me pointing out how ridiculous the justification behind these custom titles is. Essentially, you spam and you get recognition and an added degree of freedom in the form of a custom title; otherwise, you never achieve such a thing. At the old board - the very first one, I should say - I had a custom title too. But that was after being there for years. It didn't exactly come quick. For a point of reference, Skydude picked up his custom title after being here for a period of mere weeks. Now, I love him to death, but a lot of his posts are of questionable content just judging from his prominence in the various stickied threads in Craziness. (In his defense, he's quite active in the Story Forum and formerly in Debate, so he is something of an exception.) |
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Rain Man Paragoomba Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6436 days Last view: 6436 days |
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| You know where the door is.
If you don't like the fact that you get a custom title if your on staff, or you have to work to get one (which is what most normal people do mate ), then just leave, lol.
Seriously, it's no big deal. Besides, you can always use your sig  |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6313 days Last view: 6301 days |
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Originally posted by Rain ManThat's fine, and totally justified; if you merit promotion to staff, then you certainly merit a custom title. Originally posted by Rain ManUhh...no. Have you read a word I've written? Unless by "work" you mean "pop into a thread, scribble ten words that are irrelevant or at least contribute little of value, and run off to pop into a different thread and do the same thing" then you've got the idea exactly. Otherwise, no, there's really no work involved. A reward that's supposed to reflect a user's contribution to the board only reflects that user's willingness to write as much as is humanly possible without worrying whether it contributes much of anything. |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| So are you requesting a system that is not automated and requires staff to manually turn on the feature depending on post quality? | |||
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D 2007 D Since: 02-19-06 Last post: 6348 days Last view: 6348 days |
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Originally posted by Silvershield butter and spam foods can unite to form delicious sandwiches (edited by Dagsha on 05-13-06 05:05 AM) |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6313 days Last view: 6301 days |
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Originally posted by TaraleNo, I'm neither requesting a change nor suggesting any sort of appropriate measure to replace what we currently have. I'm just pointing out that, as it stands, a perk that is intended as a reward for valuable citizenship is, in reality, an indicator that a person is responsible for a good bit of one of Internet message boards' high crimes - that is, spamming. I don't mean to label some of our more respected members as spammers, but let me be realistic: the Craziness Domain contains, as I said, little more that sanctioned, thinly-veiled spam, and the three members with the overwhelmingly highest post counts are all especially active in that forum. Do the math. The only foolproof solution is to open custom titles to everyone, but that's not ideal; I like to think that it should be kept as a bonus for people who have demonstrated their worth, but the current criterion for determining worth is not a relevant one for indicating that attribute. Your suggestion that a moderator can flag a user who has demonstrated merit is a good one on paper, but it is flawed isasmuch as many users who are certainly valuable to the board community could easily fly under the radar. A person who is invaluable in a ROM hacking forum, for example, might never draw the attention of a person who could grant him a title, because that forum is not heavily trafficked. |
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D 2007 D Since: 02-19-06 Last post: 6348 days Last view: 6348 days |
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| Maybe we should just take them out entirely, Silvershield, yes?
(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10, ding) |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6313 days Last view: 6301 days |
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Originally posted by DagshaI don't know if that is the best choice, really. (ding) |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| I'm not sure if I was making a suggestion, I just thought that's what you were driving at.
At the moment the system's automated based on the only thing I can think of it that you could automate easily -- post count -- I can't think of any other automatic way of doing things, so that would leave a manual solution, which as you pointed out is flawed too. Also, it might be worth noting that what you consider "spam" and what I and other posters consider "spam" might be entirely different things. As you generally seem to post in very serious topics I would gather that you have a very high standard for expected post quality. |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6313 days Last view: 6301 days |
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Originally posted by TaraleThe only viable manual methods would be too labor intensive to be practical considering the meager return on the time investment. That is to say, it would take a lot of micromanagement to make a manual system to work - multiple moderators regulary scanning various topics and keeping tabs on individual users, and coming to a consensus on the value of each - but it "could" work. Originally posted by TaraleI don't expect everyone to write a dissertation every time they post (like I have the dubious habit of doing...), but you honestly must recognize what goes on in some of our forums here. To pick a few winners out of the current lineup in the Craziness Domain: 1. Is it weird to eat graphite? 2. Man, I just love the taste of blood. 3. Let's all get together and congratulate me on posting 57 threads. 4. 5,000 threads yay 5. Secret Origin of Wurl?!?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!? Those are all thread titles from Craziness; you can just guess at how profound and worthwhile their content must be. And they're just a quick sample from scanning the first page - I could go on much longer if you'd like. I'm not asking that everyone write 1000 words of hard-hitting political rhetoric in each post, but c'mon - that stuff is nonsense! I'm all for having fun, but there is a limit. An entire forum devoted to spam is beyond that limit. Edit for subject-verb agreement. (edited by Silvershield on 05-13-06 05:22 AM) |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6301 days Last view: 6301 days |
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| Yes, but that forum's been here in the four...five or so years I've been here, it's part of the place. It's always been pretty silly too. I personally have no problem with it, but then there is no expectation for me to participate in it or anything so for the most part I ignore it. It obviously provides a lot of enjoyment for some members of the forum though, and I would have to argue that this place would not be the same without it. It may be silly, but it's a social centre of this place to a large extent.
Would you feel happier perhaps then though if that forum did not contribute to the post count / personal title of users? |
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D 2007 D Since: 02-19-06 Last post: 6348 days Last view: 6348 days |
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| 1. "Is it weird to eat graphite", a thread that rapidly evolved into discussion of weird habits like that
2. "I like the taste of blood", which would rapidly turn into some fun talking about how the poster is a vampire or other weird shit 3. "Congratulate me on posting 57 threads", a thread about nothing 4. "5000 threads yay", a perfectly allowed thread celebrating the board's 5000th thread 5. "THE SECRET ORIGIN OF SHIT", a stupidly pointless thread by a banned member (I'm guessing) We have serious forums for a reason, Silv. |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6313 days Last view: 6301 days |
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Originally posted by TaraleJust because something is tradition isn't reason enough to allow it to remain. A major criticism of people who are politically conservative is that those ideals which are to be conserved should prove some merit in the present day - a history of useful contribution in the past is not reason enough to preserve an otherwise useless tradition. I don't know why the social center of this board is a forum that explicitly deviates from a rule posted prominently in the oft-cited FAQ. Rule one: no spamming. There it is, in plain letters and with a bit of profanity to hammer home the point, yet one of the most active boards at Acmlm's is in direct violation. How ridiculous is that? Why can't social life here revolve around discussion of topics that have at least some significance? Most of General Chat, with some occasional exceptions, qualifies, so why do people flock to Craziness? Because they can post like crazy (pun intended) and get away with it. That's why. Originally posted by TaraleThat's a great suggestion that I wish I'd thought of. Anyone using Craziness Domain for what you describe - as a social board - don't care much that it's boosting their post counts; people using it to inflate their post counts are violating the rules anyway, so it's ok if they lose out by getting a custom title later. Cool with me. |
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