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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - World Affairs/Debate - War with Iran? |
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Rom Manic                  Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I think it is a bad idea for Iran to have nuclear weapons. If you think about it, there's no way you can guarantee the integrity of any facility in that country, and I don't think Iran (If they're even on the good side) peoperly estimates the capability Al Quaeda possesses. And I know what I've said earlier, I've thought about it a little more than I did before.
Honestly, how can you underestimate the strength of a faith that has declared religious warfare on the West, and will not stop at death to kill every last American? But, I think I know what will happen. Iran will have it's Nuclear Programme, Al Quaeda will infiltrate and collect enough nuclear shit to make a real nice dirty bomb, and then they'll find a way to smuggle it over the border and drop it somewhere. Most likely Washington DC. Thats what I profess will happen. But we will see. |
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Cirvania Cyball I guess this is as close as Xkeeper will get to spell it right. :<  Since: 11-17-05 From: The Island of Puerto Rico. Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Skreename Yeah. Problem is, Iran's not too hot on letting the UN inspectors do their job... 
This is the crux of the matter. Iran says they aren't making nuclear weaponry, yet they refuse to let inspectors in their nuclear facilities and give the us (and the world) some fucking peace of mind. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES  Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Honestly, how can you underestimate the strength of a faith that has declared religious warfare on the West, and will not stop at death to kill every last American? WTF? |
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Billiards Koopa Red Paratroopa  Since: 04-21-06 From: Far away from a carnival, one ride tried to kill me (no lie) Last post: 6502 days Last view: 6502 days |
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Originally posted by Cirvante< FINALLY! I was on vaca. in Las Vegas when I heard about Iran being able to enrich the atom and I'm all "Good for them." And then G.W.B. i's sayin' "NO! NOT THEM THEY CAN'T HAVE NUCLEAR POWER! NOOOO! ONLY AMERICA IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR SUCH A SOUCE OF POWER!" Geez Bush, First you tore the Iraqi gov. all to hell and pissed off the insurgents and NOW you're all worried about what Iran will be able to do in ten years. Which is, power some small city with uranium. Get our troops outta Iraq and STAY. OUT. OF. THE. FUCKING. MIDDLE. EAST! |
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Rom Manic What's stopping them from doing that at any other nuclear power plant? Seriously... It's not like they specifically need to get nuclear waste from Iran. |
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Wurl Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6337 days Last view: 6337 days |
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Originally posted by Randy53215Originally posted by Wurl I have serious doubts. The U.S.'s leaders seem pretty hell bent on war with Iran. That war will likely lead to war with Russia and China. A war that large would require a draft, even though it would likely be very un-popular. |
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| It's been 60 years since a war of that magnitude. I really, REALLY doubt anyone's going to do something rash enough to provoke an outright WAR with China and Russia. It's just... not smart. | |||
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Billiards Koopa Red Paratroopa Since: 04-21-06 From: Far away from a carnival, one ride tried to kill me (no lie) Last post: 6502 days Last view: 6502 days |
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Originally posted by Skreename It's just not smart. Hm...who the fuck else is a retard? BUSH!...We're screwed. We still have TWO MORE YEARS with the bastard. The only reason he's still in offiice is...well, what retard votes for Kerry? (Note: I'm not insulting ProBush and ProKerry People, nor the rebs and demos, just Bush and Kerry) |
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| There's a slight difference between what's happened so far, and an armed conflict with those two world powers. Besides... it takes two to have a war. Does Russia/China want to go to war?
Besides... typically other measures are taken before armed conflict. |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Skreename Nobody else will give it up freely. |
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Sin Dogan   860  Uoodo Original Blend Armored Trooper Votoms Canned Coffee! Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6299 days |
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| Some of you are pretty damn paranoid and don't have a logical solution to these problems. (Thayer, Rom Maniac) | |||
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Rom ManicOriginally posted by Skreename And they will? I rather doubt providing nuclear materials to known terrorist groups is going to help in the case to have the world let them keep their programs. |
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Randy53215 Melon Bug Since: 11-17-05 From: Greenfield, Wisconsin (U.S.A) Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Skreename Exactly what he said, also not to mention the fact that China is an ally. And since you didnt look up what a draft is.... 1. The process or method of selecting one or more individuals from a group, as for a service or duty: a candidate who did not pursue the nomination, but accepted a draft by the party convention. 2. Compulsory enrollment in the armed forces; conscription. 3. A body of people selected or conscripted. Meaning, they would like you to go, its not forced. Im my mind your a coward if you didnt/dont go if they do ask you. |
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Wurl Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6337 days Last view: 6337 days |
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| I'm a little concerned about Cheney's speach from the other day. To me it sounded a lot like the Iron Curtain speech. War with Iran, Russia and China is a worst case scenario, but I think it is realistic. | |||
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| The scenario I forsee:
*Terrorists hijack a shipment of Nuclear Waste* United Nations: Oh shit! WTF Iran?! United States: Yeah u NOOBS LEARN TO CONTROL NUKLEAR WASTE OR WE SEND TROOPZ! Ayatollah Khamenei: Oh yeah, our bad. For a second, I forgot we were on the same side. Oh wait, thats right. We aren't. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Better start bombing.
Japan, Brazil, Russia, China, Canada, Britain, France, Pakistan, India, United States, Israel...well, they all have nuclear power generation capabilities. Better start bombing them if you don't want those nasty terrorists getting at that precious, precious nukul0r wastez. |
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Wurl Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6337 days Last view: 6337 days |
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| Figures freedom hating Canada would have Nuclear weapons. | |||
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Rom Manic Hmm... Brilliant! Not only are you assuming that people would WANT to provoke a conflict with someone who would win, you also consider having a ship (which a country owns) being hijacked to be a victory... for that country? Umm... |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Skreename I'd like to point out that they already have provoked a conflict. IF you remember, there USED to be 2 world trade center towers in New York... And forgive the conspiracy theory, I'm just explaining my take on events. YES, there are many other countries with Nuclear Technology, but by using Iran's waste (Which happens to be in a desert where you can hide and take almost anything) we've got nobody left to blame but good ol' Islam. You think the Ayatollah will condemn the actions of Al-Quaeda for this? Sanction his very moral fibre for the good of (God forbid) his image? For the Infidels? Give me one good example of where he has already. If you're all just looking from an angle where this nuclear power will be good for Iran, I agree with that. But you have to look at all the angles and rule out any possibility of something bad happening or disaster will strike. IS the juice worth the squeeze? EDIT: Fixed "world trade centers" to "world trade center towers" (edited by Rom Manic on 05-10-06 03:36 AM) |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Natanz isn't exactly in a "desert". And as such, almost all of the research is in Western Iran, which is highly populous and well protected. Also, the nation isn't exactly gigantic. The army that they have is well equipped and well trained. The secret police control many aspects of life there. It is unlikely that their relatively small supplies of radiological material will fall under attack. In addition the yellow cake that Iran is producing isn't even highly enriched. It isn't all that dangerous. Russia is far larger, far more demoralized, far more in need of money, and far less able to protect its nuclear stocks. It produces far more dangerous forms of it too. In addition to Russia is the newly nuclear capable Brazil. Plus, over top of that is the fact that many medical facilities in the world aren't supremely well protected and have radiology departments. With radiology comes some fairly nasty isotopes that can be used to make dirty bombs. Iran has a repugnant government - it controls the public life very harshly and it suppresses freedoms. Too bad it became a pet project for the West until it got too out of hand. Just like its western neighbour, Iraq.
Besides you know nothing about Iran. The AyatollahS may not exactly be the friendliest of faces, however it is the current hard-line president that forms the spine of the problem. And before you start your conspiracy theories Iran had nothing to do with Al Qaeda nor 9-11. In fact, Al Qaeda is not looked upon highly by the clerical controllers of the nation. It is a homogenous Shi'a nation (politically speaking). Al Qaeda is willing to embrass various beliefs within Islam. Moreover, from the perspective of an academic, let's not bomb Persia. It has countless artifacts and stands as a grand area of study for early Indo-Iranian artifactures. In addition to that we've already destroy mesopotamia. Ah, how the Euphrates and Tigris cry as we bomb civilization's cradle. |
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