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Metal Knuckles Tendoru                   Since: 12-21-05 From: New Hampshire Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Does masturbating make you gay?
Definition of gay: adj. gay·er, gay·est Of, relating to, or having a sexual orientation to persons of the same sex. Definition of masturbation: n. mas·tur·ba·tion (mstr-bshn) Excitation of one's own or another's genital organs, usually to orgasm, by manual contact or means other than sexual intercourse. Now that we got that out of the way to clear any confusion on what the two terms mean (like you needed any, pervert. =P), let's think about it. Being gay, or homosexual for a broader term, means that you find those of the same sex sexually satisfying. Masturbation, the means of sexually satisfying yourself, and unless you are of a different sex then yourself (only example I can think of is joint twins), you are technically being brought to orgasm by someone of the same sex. Now sure, you're certainly not thinking of yourself when your doing it. Unless you are. Eww. However, having a man walk up to another man, and bring him to orgasm by [explicit description here], while the man being brought to said orgasm is thinking of a girl, doesn't make the act any less gay. Also, a less related note to the theme of the thread. Masturbation can also be referred to as self-abuse.  (edited by Metal Knuckles on 04-27-06 03:32 PM) |
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mattp Red Paratroopa   Since: 03-04-06 Last post: 6561 days Last view: 6561 days |
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| Self-abuse is a very old term, dating from when people were still stupid enough to beleive that masturbation was harmful.
Gay means you have a sexual attraction to the same sex. I would argue that it is not gay to masturbate because that's not a display of sexual interest. To argue your example- The man receiving the act may not be gay, as long as he has no sexual attraction to the guy doing the act. If he is being aroused by female fantasy, then he is straight, or at the least bisexual. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Attraction to yourself isn't technically a homo or hetero sexual inclination. It is known as autosexuality.
mattp - many societies (Rome, certain Arabic, etc.) had systems where as long as you were the dominant sexual partner in a homosexual "relationship" it was all cool. The submissive was seen as being effeminate and was persecuted or killed for receiving. However, I think that some modern scope of homo and heterosexuality is somewhat anachronistic and imposing a morality that did not exist in many of these cultures at this time. In Japan and Greece pederasty was common and quite encouraged. This was the moral "okay" at the time. I'm not going out to justify such examples in a scope of modern terms, but yeah. Things have changed and homo/hetero are just terms from the past 2 centuries. As for self-abuse. That's always been an interesting term. Mostly because it doesn't add up to much, because generally you're not hurting yourself during masturbation.  |
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Deleted User Banned    Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6297 days |
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Originally posted by mattp What's a straight guy doing being stroked by another guy? Being stroked is sexual outtercourse (yes, there is too such a thing) it is STILL a sexual act with another man, therefore, being homosexual. Besides, if a guy was stroking me, 1. I would lose my erection, and 2. I would be kicking his ass. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Manual sex is pretty hip these days.
To stop the spread of STIs when jerking another dude or being fingered it is best to wear a condom (for the dudes) and make sure that partner is wearing a surgical glove! (edited by Plus Sign Abomination on 04-27-06 07:05 PM) |
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| What the hell? That's like... NOT sex anymore.That's like... operation. When I lick a my babe's clit, I know I have nothing to worry about. All you have to do is know that. Unless they DO have a disease like Herpes. I wouldn't even lick them then.
And to wrap up your question... NO. I do it, and I'm straight. (edited by ||EyeL E Ss|| on 04-27-06 07:12 PM) |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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HPV, mono...There are lots of things you can get.  |
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Thank you for your input + sign. |
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Metal Knuckles Tendoru Since: 12-21-05 From: New Hampshire Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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But really, that's the loop hole in this. No matter what the thoughts are at the time of arousal, a man stroking a man is still a sexual act between two men of the same gender. And masturbating is a sexual act done by only one gender, despite thoughts of the opposing one. Hopefully, thoughts of the opposing one. Not that I'm against thoughts of the same sex, just not my cup of... you know what, this is awkward now. Anyways, if the above is true, and people masturbate... oh, let's say an overall average of 1.5 times a day, and "score" about once every week, that's still a ratio of 10.5 : 1. AKA, 91% of sexual acts preformed are homosexual... Forget what I said earlier, this is awkward. Also, I can't find a dictionary definition of autosexual. Help please. =/ |
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Hawksun Red Koopa  Since: 04-06-06 From: Canada Last post: 6517 days Last view: 6517 days |
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An autosexual is someone who prefers to have sex "with himself" rather than anyone else, and since you are not another person, masturbation couldn't count as homosexuality since you are the only person involved in the act (well, usually) as opposed as having sex with someone else of the same sex. But then, it all depends on the different point of views people could have on all these elements.  |
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| Ok, Metal Knuckles... I have no idea how you suggest 1.5... unless you just miss an orgasm or something, but, Hawksun is right... If you masturbate, it's a different type of sexuality:
>Gay or "Homo sex" is a sexual act whether inter or outercourse, with another being of the same species and gender. >Masturbation is not gay UNLESS with another person DOING IT TO YOU. Which therefore is classified as "stroking." [or, lol, "second-hand masturbation"]. >The reason it is not gay is [if you're not really gay] because you are trying to reach an orgasm while pleasuring yourself, with the absence of the female... If SHE did it to you, would it be considered gay? The only REAL difference is whos hand it is... (edited by ||EyeL E Ss|| on 04-28-06 06:21 PM) |
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6303 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by ||EyeL E Ss|| You can do lots of things like that. What would you be considered for auto-fellatio? I know it's probably almost completely irrelevant, but I have to wonder. EDIT: I know I'm neglecting women with that one. If nothing else, auto-cunnilingus is still just a hypothetical and has yet to be actually seen. (edited by Skreename on 04-29-06 04:06 PM) |
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First off, those are SUPER hard to do, lol. 
You, my friend, have a VERY good point. Orally penetrating the same gender "part," should actually be considered gay. I myself wouldn't do it because I'm not for sucking c*ck. But I would give oral sex to a woman... Thank you for bringing this up. But it COULD be considered heterosexual because you might be doing it in the absence of the female... |
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Snow Tomato Snap Dragon  Since: 12-31-05 From: NYC Last post: 6317 days Last view: 6303 days |
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Originally posted by Me.. in the other thread I said that in this thread. And I still have no idea. Maybe it's not because you ARE thinking of the other sex. But then again... suicide is murder.. right? You're just not held accountable. |
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Skydude Armos Knight  Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6570 days Last view: 6570 days |
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| Yeah, suicide is probably the only crime you can't be prosecuted for if you succeed.
As for the original question, I have indeed considered that myself, and then decided I'd rather just not think about it. Auto-fellatio would probably be crossing the line, though. |
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Metal Knuckles Tendoru Since: 12-21-05 From: New Hampshire Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| You're held accountable for attempted suicide, though. Any other type is just the perfect crime.
I think that using definitions might actually be a mistake for figuring this out. Honestly, so many words use the ideas of others in a completely different sense then they originally mean. Not sure if I even understand what I just typed, but think about this: The definition of gay is any sexual interaction between those of the same sex, yet autosexuality states nothing about it being a homosexual act, despite being the exact definition of gay in the process (you = same sex as yourself). To figure this out, I think we might have to look beyond the vocab, ney, our dignity, and decide whether we all preform a majority of homosexual acts in our daily lives. Dear god. X_X |
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6570 days Last view: 6570 days |
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| Well, except that being gay is the interaction of multiple members of the same sex, whereas you and...you...are just one person. Even if you have split personalities.
And it should be noted that attempted suicide is not treated as is attempted murder, so it's not really "murder" at least in the legal sense |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Metal Knuckles Not in Canada. |
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Deleted User Banned Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6297 days |
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| That's more religious. Suicide isn't harming the society, so why can you be charged?
This is funny... just think, pleading innocent to suicide.  The prosecution would be defending you at the same time as trying to prove you guilty... [Don't take this seriously  ]
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Metal Knuckles Tendoru Since: 12-21-05 From: New Hampshire Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Probably a rumor, but I recall hearing about someone being sentenced to death for attempted suicide (in, surprise surprise, Texas!) a while back. But anywho, something else has just occured to me.
(And hence, I will use this topic whenever something else occurs to me, which is quite frequent. Better then making new topics over and over.) Why the hell is hentai so much more appealing then real porn in many cases? I honestly don't know this, and although I'm sure that this doesn't apply to a bunch of you, I'm also equally sure that it does apply to others. What is it about drawn girls with big googlie eyes, blue hair, umm, tails, the whole run, that makes it so damn good? I recently downloaded an OVA of Evangelion that had, umm...
... sex in it, and it seemed to cover what most hentai has. Guy on girl on girl on guy on two girls on one more girl action, moaning and groaning, lots of wet stuff flying everywhere, and Gendo sitting at his desk doing his crossed-hand pose. Yes, it was all hot stuff indeed. But why does it attract so much more? Is it to indulge in some of our fetishes for girls with cat ears, girls with tails, girls with tentacles, or whatever you guys (and girls, don't wanna be sexist here) enjoy that we can't experience in he real world without it looking as cheap as Uwe Boll films? Is it some sort of attraction to the sketchy movements that 3 frames per second will give us? Is it quite possibly just the fact that some hentai features characters we know so well from other animes, and watching them doing the dirty birdy is just like watching a sequel? Does the previous statement, if true, mean that watching the cast of Survivor get into a massive orgy would have the same effect? Please, ex-nay on the last comment with me. Point is, anime is nothing but black lines with colors in the middle. So why is it better at attracting sexual attention then real naked women in some cases? Just something I've been pondering. (edited by Metal Knuckles on 05-04-06 10:04 PM) |
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