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Deleted User Banned                Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6296 days |
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| I honestly have no idea if anyone has ever posted about this but here we go...
I think that the death penalty is wrong. Especiallt in young teens. IT'S TRUE. There was a sixteen year old boy who was executed for killing a woman in a robbery. Another injustice was where a fifteen year old boy was waved into adult court and found guilty, for pointing an empty gun at a bunch of kids who were beating the hell out of him. While the so recognized as "smart" ones sit and say he's leaning a lesson, I say; Why the fuck would you put a kid in prison for defending himself. I bet the other kids are sitting back laughing at him. All that is, is just teaching that bullies should bully, and the victim will get blamed. I mean really, who IS the victim? The kid or the bullies? [What do you think? Tell in your post.] As for the death penalty... If someone kills someone and they get the death penalty, isn't that like the whole state committing murder. At that, under OUR name are we killing them. Not only is that immoral, that's against my religion. I'd really like to hear some of the acmlmer's thoughts on this topic. Please share... (edited by ||EyeL E Ss|| on 04-25-06 06:56 PM) |
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Vyper Kodondo Raging Venom       Since: 11-18-05 From: Final Fantasy Fire Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6312 days |
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| Ever seen Penn & Teller? They have a show called Bulltshit! and there's an episode bashing the death penalty. It pretty much sums it up.
However, the only support I find for the death penalty is in cases like Charlie Manson or Jeffery Dohmer. Sick fucks like that deserve to be put to death. |
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Cruel Justice I have better things to do.   Since: 11-18-05 From: At my house! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Minors shouldn't get the death penalty but a few years in juvie for ages 15 and below would work. As for kids 16 and 17, they should just be thrown into the dogpound, get raped, then they'll surely learn their lesson by then.
Anyone 18 and up should get the death penalty under fair trial. Simply put. |
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Deleted User Banned Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6296 days |
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I agree to SOME extent. I agree with the death penalty ONLY if the crime is that bad. Otherwise no. A fair trial still should not allow opinion of the victim's family [I don't think they do anyway]. Also another point I forgot to mention was physical harm in jail. Minors should be REQUIRED by law, to go to juvie. The point of prison is not only learning a lesson. It's giving punishment for a crime. A fifteen year sentence to butt-fucking is not moral. Where as an adult could possibly handle themselves. Yes, there is no way to handle sick freaks who don't and wont obey the law [they should die] but, anything besides that is not enough. Just think for a while. Murdering is HUGE. We can't just kill someone if they did something. A life is bigger than ANYTHING, regardless of anything. We as humans, cannot just pick off lives. We are supposed to feel safe in this country, and if we have states that will kill you, [play god, for a more dramatic effect], then I wouldn't want to live there. I myself would never think of committing a crime, but just the thought of the death penalty makes me scold the government. |
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Silvershield   580  Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6307 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I won't draw this out any more than by saying that, as has been well established, I believe in the sanctity of human life. So, no abortion, no war, no death penalty. | |||
Skydude Armos Knight  Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6568 days Last view: 6568 days |
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| I agree with SS on this one.
Really, there's no reason for the death penalty. Cheaper? Nope, higher trial cost, high cost of appeals and the like, the fact that someone is generally in prison for quite some time before they execute him/her anyway, under more expensive conditions, actual cost of the execution, etc. It's not like they take the guy out back and shoot him. Deterrent? There's some evidence suggesting this may be the case, but it's not exactly as clear-cut as supporters would have you believe. On this, I go for the logical argument as evidence against. You won't get the death penalty for anything other than 1st-degree murder. You can't be convicted of that unless it's clear that it wasn't a crime of passion. Anyone who can kill in cold blood has something wrong with him, and probably won't stop to think that maybe he'll get killed because of it. So much for deterrent. Punishment? If killing a murderer brought the victim back to life, I would be all for the death penalty. But it doesn't. We shouldn't be preaching such vindictive values for society as revenge...and the state should never be permitted to kill its own citizens, for any reasons. Pro-Life is more than just being against abortion, after all. |
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Jomb Deddorokku  Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| I'm not sure about the rest of the world, but here in the US our justice system is corrupt and counter-productive beyond belief.
I dont believe we should have a death penalty. Beyond that the entire justice/prison system needs scrapped and re-done in a way which actually works. As it is right now, when someone goes to prison the chances are very high that when they do finally get out they will be much more violent and dangerous than they were going in. Something about being beat down regularly, raped, stripped of all humanity and made to live like an animals for years on end makes people become violent, resentful and animalistic. If we really want to help civilization in general, the victims, and the offenders themselves, we need to concentrate far less on punishment and far more on redemption and rehabilitation. When you brand somebody for life, then tramatize them, the chances of being able to be a productive crimefree citizen at some point in the future becomes slim. But on the death penalty in particular, i think someone who is really sick, like Jeffrey Dahmer for example, should not be executed because they are obviously mentally ill. I'm not saying they should be set free, they should be seperated from society for people's safety, but it should be done in a humane way. A gret philosopher once said that you can judge how civilized a people are by the way they treat their prisoners. By that measure we here in the US are base savages. |
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6568 days Last view: 6568 days |
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| You know, I have a feeling this thread will be rather dull if no one supports the death penalty... | |||
Hawksun Red Koopa  Since: 04-06-06 From: Canada Last post: 6516 days Last view: 6516 days |
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| Death penalty is wrong, plain and simple. Whenever we say that sickos should be killed because what they did was horrible as hell, it's an emotive thing. Sickos should get cured and/or dumped in damp, dark cellroom (in case curing just fails) ,plain murderers should get locked up in an isolation room and juvies should go to a correction center. These kind of criminals should get real correctional treatments instead of just an almost instant death that makes them suffer for a maximum of 2 minutes. Also there's nothing you can do when you mistakenly execute an innocent person, you can't decide to bring them back to life afetr 12 years of them being dead.
That felt like an incoherently structured post, but my point is said. |
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Originally posted by Skydude Yes Skydude, I was afraid of this. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| We've reached a tipping point in the last decade or two in the cultures of Anglo and European countries, where these days the only ones who support the death penalty are a few reactionary wackjobs and sizable minority of the United States' population (groups may or may not overlap). In virtually every other country any of us are from, supporting the death penalty would be political poison for the mainstream, and it's heading that way in the USA.
ACtually, I think it's an issue the Democrats can really seize on and articulate clearly, a principle-based categorical objection to the death penalty. That's the sort of thing they need to stand up for as part of liberal America. Anyways, unless we've got some folks from, like, Singapore or Indonesia here, you probably won't find many supporters of the death penalty for two reasons. Firstly it's morally reprehensible to most of us, either on "limits of state power" grounds or in some cases, on "Sanctity of life" grounds. Secondly, it has little support because it's also been so poorly executed (sorry) in the United States, so that it's been discredited on a pragmatic level. (edited by Arwon on 04-25-06 11:35 PM) |
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||bass Administrator  Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Cheaper? No.
Deterrent? Not a chance. ... but do some people flat out deserve to die... like child rape+murderers. Hell yes. In fact, in the case of child rape+murderers, I wouldn't mind bringing back some "old style" executions either like drawing and quartering. |
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Vyper Kodondo Raging Venom Since: 11-18-05 From: Final Fantasy Fire Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6312 days |
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Originally posted by ||bassExactly. Even better, these people deserve to be tortured until the brink of death again and again and again. Better yet, kill them, bring them back, and repeat the process several times to insure maximum suffering. |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Yeah, Bullshit summed it up for me pretty much, and I loved the whole "Paradox of the Death Penalty".
Which basically goes like, if someone were to be innocent and the state killed them, everyone who supported the death penalty would then become a murderer, and would then deserve to also die. But seriously, looking at people like the BTK Killer... You really wish he was dead. |
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All of this is true, but when it comes to religious matters, one must forgive ANYONE of whatever they have done. Even if you're not religious, think about this; say you supported the death penalty and your state killed someone. You strongly supported this person's death. Now say you died and were being judged. Would you go to heaven? Or be sent to hell? Right, Hell... But for anyone who is not religious, (It's better to be religious, because that way if you die a believer and it's true, you go to heaven, but if it's not, nothing happens  but that's another topic...) you still must feel SOME sympathy. There was a middle aged black man who raped and killed a woman. He got an interview about his death penalty. He was normal. Like you and me. He didn't want to eat, walk, talk, breath, or anything because of what he did. THAT is the kind of person who DOESN'T deserve a death penalty. Someone who liked it, and wants to do it again IS. Either way, if they are like the first one, I feel they don't deserve it, or for the second, I would wish that they could change and be like the first.
Once a person finds out they are getting the death penalty, I think that is enough. None of the prisoners on death row (most at least) want to die, and they are sad when they see another one recieve death. These people should be treated the same way any other person who mudered, and is NOT recieving the death penalty, would be treated. Death should've NEVER been an option. NEVER, PERIOD. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Pascal's Wager is awesome. | |||
Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Nobody should have to kill anyone, period. For no reason. Murderers and Child Rapists do what they do because they feel they have to do it. What they need is therapy.
Jail should be abolished. Money could be better spent on rehabilitating them, rather than put them in a jail where their condition only gets worse. |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6307 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I'll expand on Ziff's post - which appeared in his typical style of inserting an obscure phrase without any detail to back it up, all in the aim of looking knowledgable or insightful - by at least providing a link explaining Pascal's Wager. | |||
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Vyper Kodondo Raging Venom Since: 11-18-05 From: Final Fantasy Fire Last post: 6312 days Last view: 6312 days |
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Originally posted by SilvershieldThis really, really isn't going to end well... |
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||bass Administrator Since: 11-17-05 From: Salem, Connecticut Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Rom ManicOh yes, let's give hit men and drug dealers talk therapy with no threat of prison. That'l solve the crime problem.... right.... (edited by ||bass on 04-26-06 07:15 PM) |
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