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Skydude Armos Knight                    Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6569 days Last view: 6569 days |
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| I think this is one of those one-way correlation problems. What I mean is that anti-corporate people are almost without exception crazy lefties...but people on the left, even the extreme crazier ones, aren't necessarily anti-corporate. | |||
Tarale    2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata  Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I don't know why "left" has to be bought into the discussion.
I'm wary of Microsoft because of their past actions. I am aware of their past anti-competetive behaviours and am a little wary that they might seek to repeat some of this. I also see a lot of stories about them being a bit of a bully and whatnot. I don't think it has to do with anything about being "left" or such. I'm the same with companies from whom I've recieved poor customer service, or such. *shrugs* At the end of the day, I'm a just a consumer, and Microsoft is just a business that hasn't got my consumer confidence. (edited by Tarale on 05-03-06 12:11 AM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| Nah, there's sections of the nationalist and cultural right (as opposed to the economic right) who are pretty skeptical of free markets, capitalism and corporations. elements of Catholicism have also been, historically, pretty anti-capitalist and uncomfortable with markets. | |||
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MathOnNapkins 1100  In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Cheveyo ChowilawuOriginally posted by geeogree I don't agree with Geeogree on most things, but c'mon, if you don't know who Noam Chomsky is and you're in a debate forum - go look him up. Chomsky is a famous leftwing writer with many books. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noam_Chomsky This may be a product of some of y'all being a bit younger, but still... |
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Math, this is geeogree. He does this sort of thing a lot - he mentions a name or an incident, and tells everyone else to look it up. Surely someone other than me has also noticed that.
And yes, you are correct - I haven't heard of him, I tend to take more of a "look it up as needed" approach, but if someone is going to try to back up his opinion with some examples, he's got to actually provide the examples. You don't really expect your opponents in a debate to research your side of the issue in order to help your case, do you? =/ |
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MathOnNapkins 1100 In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I wasn't trying to imply that he was using a good debate tactic, I was trying to encourage people to know who some of the big scholars/pundits are out there.
Although I might add, someone with a truly open mind would do well to look up the things their opponents mention in debate. Even if they won't extend you that courtesy at least you have seen where they are coming from. |
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by MathOnNapkinsSeems reasonable. It looked more like you were defending his particular methods at first. My mistake.
I would share this belief, and perhaps I agree with the basics of it. However, if they aren't worth the time to defend and substantiate them, why should they be worth the time to learn about them? Hopefully that'll be the end of my derailing of the thread. While I don't really trust Microsoft (or any other large business, discussion for another time though), I think that some people are being a little... extreme. I refer specifically to the missiling RM mentioned. I can't really think of much else to say, maybe because it's 3:30 AM, so maybe tomorrow I'll add more. (edited by Cheveyo Chowilawu on 05-03-06 03:34 AM) |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Well, what else would happen if Microsoft did this? Paper balls? Elastic wasps?
I think it's a liability China isn't prepared to control. While they may have backup systems in place, that kind of act would be agression in absolute. And then they would retailiate against the US. Not Microsoft alone, but the millions of innocent civilians here in North America. It's a kind of control nobody should have. Do you disagree? |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I agree that the missiling thing is a bit extreme.
Microsoft might participate in anticompetetive behaviour, but to go from that to... well there... is a bit much. |
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Jomb Deddorokku  Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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All i meant by inconveniance, is that most every program i have or use runs under windows. I love the idea of Linux and can see its a superior operating system, but i'd be very limited in what programs i could effectively use if i switched. But, if windows ever gets into the DMA bullshit then i'll switch anyway  (edited by Jomb on 05-07-06 06:52 PM) |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| What I forsee as becoming a major inconvenience will be the DRM stuff, depending on how companies implement it.
From what I've heard from Steve Ballmer in a number of interviews, Microsoft are / may be taking a fairly hard stance in regards to DRM, perhaps erring more on the side of Record Labels' demands than on consumer fair use. They also wish to extend DRM to documents created by you in Word and such as far as I remember.... Apple have tried to strike a balance with their FairPlay system, which is considered to be one of the better DRM systems and not overly-restrictive. DRM though is not a Microsoft-only issue, but I have my concerns (particularly thanks to Ballmer's ranting) on how they in particular will implement these things and how much of a PITA it's going to be.... Then it might be a matter of working out whether it's more of an inconvenience to try to get applications to work on Linux, or to deal with Windows in regards to DRM.... |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Jomb I think there's a great windows emulator that runs on Linux. Not sure how effective it is, but I believe it's called WINE (WINdows Emulator). Great to check out, to say the least. |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Rom ManicOriginally posted by Jomb WINE is okay for some things, but won't necessarily run everything fine. Some programs will run quite well under WINE, but I had no luck getting some of my applications to do much more than spit out some of the bizarrest error messages I have ever seen. God it was funny 
Another thing that annoys me about Microsoft is their bundling of software with things. They'll be bundling Windows Defender with Vista, for example. I know why they're doing it, but I wonder where it leaves companies like Lavasoft... |
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spiroth10 Paratroopa Since: 01-28-06 From: USA Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I guess I am with the anti-corporates.
But what im worried about is the fact that no one enforces the laws that trusts are supposed to follow these days. The last one to do so was Roosevelt. I am an avid supporter of linux. I am running a slackware (only) system. as for the issue of linux and software, Im just going to spit back what others in linux-land say: In order for software companies to release software to linux, more people need to switch to it -- although many will be against lots of commercial software on linux, I am not. While many things need to be free (development tools, desktop environments, basic tools) Some things (games, etc.) deserve to be commercial -- as they are art not just software. Another hindrence to the popularity of linux is hardware support. our society is "used to" the windows lifestyle. The idea that the computer can do 99% of the work for you, and you just need to click. Thats also why viruses work on (pretty much) only windows, as it executes programs without your consent. but thats another issue. Linux, itself, is becoming much more user friendly. For such a young operating system (invented in the 90's, while microsoft worked on DOS since the 80's), it has come a considerable way in a short amoount of time, and I can see a total takeover of the PC industry in about 20 to 50 years from now due to viruses, privacy issues, and the fact that linux, OS/X, and others, happen to be much more efficient once they are correctly configured, and have the needed software. to shorten thing up, I dont think Microsoft will stay where it is in the stock market for much longer -- I think it will go down a bit soon, and more in the years to come. With the advancements of mac and linux, I dont believe microsoft is any longer a threat to anyone. |
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| Bill Gates doesn't care wheter Microsoft gets him money or not, he has enough to buy anything he wants. Steve Ballmer does care, and he is the one to blame for anything stupid Microsoft makes... | |||
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Undoubtedly Bill Gates still holds a fair number of shares with Microsoft, so I would imagine he has a little bit of influence and a little bit of monetary gain with whatever the company does in the future. | |||
Sukasa Birdo Not quite as active as before. Xkeeper supporter Xk > ||bass I IP Banned myself! Twice!  Since: 11-17-05 From: Somewhere over there Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Eh... Screw DRM. Personally, I don't believe that what DRM plans to do is worth jack-all.
First off, DRM for audio is laughable - a $3 cable will net you non-protected copies of all DRM audio clips (mini gold stereo extension cable, doulbe-sided male), and without internet on my normal computer, this whole "broadcast your actions" thing won't apply to me. |
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sandrocklq Red Cheep-cheep  Since: 07-31-06 Last post: 6433 days Last view: 6433 days |
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| You think Microsoft would have learned their lesson with XP being such a resource hog. Heh, they probably just have a big stake in hardware and the increased operating requirements just means that people keep having to buy new computers. The self-perpetuating business model. | |||
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Being a resource hog is Microsofts way of saying "Let's have sex!  " to Intel, who in turn builds better equipment to run such OS's (Their way of saying "Ok, daddy! "). In return, Microsoft gets let in on secret API's within the hardware to let their software run faster. |
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Zer0wned Koopa Since: 12-09-05 From: Torrance, ca Last post: 6453 days Last view: 6453 days |
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| Regarding the original post- the censorship you mention kind of already exists, but isn't microsoft's fault at all, it's china's.
http://sethf.com/anticensorware/general/google-censorship.php I came across this on 4chan a while back. Wait, what am I doing in world affairs...? |
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