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Rom Manic                   Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I've been looking at Microsoft these days and I'm beginning to get worried about the Trust's capability to pin them down.
Firstly, the very fact that Microsoft now has entire control over China's Internet Communications grid scares me. For some reason, some coropration in America has enough credibility to pull of this stunt, all in the name of anti-Freedom of Speech. Should anything go wrong, all Microsoft has to do is pull a sheet over China and they're blacked out from the world. Then WE, the innocent, have to deal with the inevitable SCUD missiles and Nuclear Warheads headed our way, once the Chinese finally pull their heads out of their asses and realize that it was all America's fault. Thanks MS. You've led us into another hole. Not that your OS monopoly was bad enough, though. Am I the only one here who thinks that an administration like the Bush Administration should be aware of this sort of thing? Or the United Nations fo that matter? Are they all fucking blind, or are they all in on this? Because, technically speaking, this should have WTO written all over it. Now that I'm done my rant, I want to ask you guys to do something for me. Be informed about this, because in my point of view, this whole thing with Microsoft having it's hand in other countries shit is not good. Speak out, recommend alternatives to MS...Try to hinder them in some way so that they won't be able to keep this up. |
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Gavin Cheep-cheep Vandalism is not tolerated Since: 11-17-05 From: IL, USA Last post: 6372 days Last view: 6315 days |
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Originally posted by Rom Manic Yes yes, Microsoft is evil. But seriously, I think the scenario I just quoted is kind of absurd. |
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Skydude Armos Knight  Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6568 days Last view: 6568 days |
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| Bill Gates believes information should be free, yo. If anything, this might have a positive effect, if they have that much control over the Chinese grid. Not that they would be able to DO anything about, feasibly, but would be able to know a lot about the system. The situation you describe is rather outlandish. What's more likely is that should something happen, it would help to have that control, rather than that control being the cause of a problem. | |||
netscape Grizzo  Since: 12-30-05 Last post: 6325 days Last view: 6320 days |
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Originally posted by Skydude That's gotta be sarcasm que no? |
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Tarale    2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by netscapeOriginally posted by Skydude I thought it was some of the open-source zealots that spouted the "information is free" stuff.  In fact, often used as an argument for why Windows / OSX / Anything source code should be released, and filesharing of all files regardless of copyrights is good-good..... |
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netscape Grizzo Since: 12-30-05 Last post: 6325 days Last view: 6320 days |
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Originally posted by TaraleOriginally posted by netscapeOriginally posted by Skydude Depends what you mean by free. Free as in free beer, or free as in free speech? The main goal of the GPL is that you should be free to modify any software you get however you want, but if you make these changes public you should give the source so other people are free to too. Whether or not you charge/pay for software is a different issue. Infact open source supporters are generally supportive of reasonable copyright restrictions as the GPL and smiler licenses aren't effective without it. Microsoft on the other hand has been ever more restrictive. From DRM to WPA (which doesn't stop real pirates, just your diabolically evil grandma from her nefarious plan to install windows on gasp two computers. That evil person! The devil won't even look her in the eye she's so evil), to plans for TCP which if successfully forced on the market would make it so you need Microsoft's permission just to open a file, and internet to get permission every time you load it. So that ms can just up and change their minds, or possibly up pay for play schemes were you never really own your collection of music, just rent it. Software would need to be certified by ms to accessible on TCP, this would kill GPL software on windows. Which is one of Microsoft's goals anyway. Bill Gate's campaign against the GPL has gone from labeling it a 'virus', to funneling money into the SCO lawsuit against Linux (prolly the flagship of the GPL), to lobbying Congress to outlawing government use of GPL software, or even outlawing the parts of the GPL that give it it's strength. See the issue ms has with the GPL is it's competition, but there's no company to crush. It's normally school yard bully tricks won't work. Whether or not grandma copying windows to her other computer is wrong, it's clear billyboy gates wants information locked up deep in a Microsoft bank vault. said ma peace on the issue  (edited by netscape on 04-27-06 10:02 PM) (edited by netscape on 04-27-06 10:03 PM) (edited by netscape on 04-27-06 10:05 PM) |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Bill Gates is no longer part of Microsoft (Officially).
Edit: To make this post more valid, I agree with the above post on all fronts except those mentioned. (edited by Rom Manic on 04-27-06 11:04 PM) |
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Clockwork JB Flurry  Since: 02-12-06 From: Melbourne, Australia Last post: 6306 days Last view: 6306 days |
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| If you've read about some of the anti-piracy measures that big companies like Microsoft and Intel plan to implement in future hardware/software, then you'll know what I'm talking about when I say that the big corporations have just crossed the line between monitoring piracy and invading privacy. Some of things they have planned, like the ability to remotely monitor all files created by their programs on your hard-drive, has got privacy and user-trust groups in an uproar. I guess we can all kiss our private files goodbye... | |||
Jomb Deddorokku  Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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The day Microsoft's operating system collects data on my ROM collection and the contents of my personal email, and sends it out over the net, is the day i say "fuck convenience" and switch to Linus  |
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FreeDOS + Giant Red Koopa Legion: freedos = fritos  Since: 11-17-05 From: Seattle Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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I moved away from Microsoft Windows because their system was inconvienent  |
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Deleted User Banned    Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6296 days |
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| I think Microsoft and Apple and all those weirder brand names are inconvienent.
PS: BSD-Addict, I like your avatar...lol. (edited by ||EyeL E Ss|| on 04-28-06 05:54 PM) |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I think "convenience" is going to come down to the individual and their needs and expectations of an OS. I also think that OS bashing is a pretty stupid and pointless past-time.
I find Linux "inconvenient" for some things, and very "convenient" (or perhaps a better word -- useful) for others. I find my Mac useful for some things, wnd Windows useful for some things.
On Microsoft -- I think they certainly have had too much influence over a lot of things, but AFAIK, that influence is waning recently. Once upon a time, it seemed like everything was always about Microsoft... but with the massive delays with Vista, and things like Linux and OS X rising in popularity, as well as Google and such, I'm not sure Microsoft are as "powerful" as they once were. What IS becoming a concern -- because it influences companies like Microsoft and Apple -- is the piracy stuff, yes. But the push for this isn't coming from Microsoft -- and it won't just affect Windows. The DRM movement has some very nasty little ideas -- I worry that Microsoft may simply roll over and aim to please the DRM overlords; but would like to hope that Apple and other vendors take a stand against overly restrictive and invasive DRM measures. |
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Ailure Mr. Shine I just want peace...  Since: 11-17-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| As far I know, I think it's Steve Ballmer who have much more control over Microsoft than Bill gates. Bill gates is starting to get old.
Eh, Microsoft is just fearing for a shrink in marketplace. Their stock hadn't changed much since 2000, while they had a nice grwoth between 1995 and 2000 so of course they're getting desperate. They no longer grow.
Vista will be a disapointment, it takes more system resources than Win XP and alot of it's key features (which was apparently orginally planned for the orginal NT... XD) is delayed into the next version. Which reminds me... I better buy some google stocks. |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Microsoft only really screws computer uses, generally a fairly wealthy demographic. Compare to corporations which thrive off the blood of third world workers, they're pretty small potatoes in the "evil corporation" stakes. | |||
neotransotaku Sledge Brother Liberated from school...until MLK day  Since: 11-17-05 From: In Hearst Field Annex... Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Rom ManicWhat exactly goes wrong? And what incentive does Microsoft have to do such a thing to china, and why china? I highly doubt that given the amount of methods of communication we have on this planet, that all avenues of communication will give the exact same information... |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| hooray for lefty paranoia about corporations | |||
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by geeogree Substantiate that comment. Give some examples. Otherwise you're just flame baiting and will take a break from this forum. |
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beneficii Broom Hatter Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| geeogree,
I agree with Ziff on this. We're trying to make this forum more open-minded and open in the discussion and dealing less with bashing whole groups of people. We want people to be able to share their own views without being attacked like that. We also want them to substantiate those views. We want this to be a legitimate search for truth, rather than whining from people who don't want to abandon their comfortable political positions. (edited by beneficii on 05-02-06 03:29 PM) |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6309 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Chomsky.... look him up Ziff
want anything else? |
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by geeogree If you're going to give us some examples, give us some examples. Don't make us look for them. |
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