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Posted on 04-09-06 08:42 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Snow Tomato
Theatrics? I doubt it... thousands and thousands of people were crucified every single day under the roman empire. It wasn't theatrical... it was probably played out by the time jesus died. It was the work of his diciples and his message... you can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.


I think those numbers are slightly inflated.
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Posted on 04-09-06 09:06 PM Link | Quote
I'm watching a special on it right now. (History Channel) I'm interested in what it has to say...
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Posted on 04-09-06 11:14 PM Link | Quote
Originally posted by Plus Sign Abomination
Originally posted by Snow Tomato
Theatrics? I doubt it... thousands and thousands of people were crucified every single day under the roman empire. It wasn't theatrical... it was probably played out by the time jesus died. It was the work of his diciples and his message... you can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.


I think those numbers are slightly inflated.


Slightly inflated, yes. But my point is that crucifixion was a normal means of punishment under the Roman Empire.
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Posted on 04-11-06 12:09 PM Link | Quote
Jesus dieing on the cross wasn't in God's plan for him, but it was an inevitability of the plan of Jesus' life. The purpose of Jesus becoming human was to teach the good word about what is expected of all people. He was to teach that loving your fellow man is the most important thing that you can do in life. Now, because his teachings would be so radically different and opposed to the traditional teachings, it was obvious to see that he would be executed for his actions because of the mass of people that he would offend by upturning their entire religion. If he was not proclaiming this doctrine so strongly he wouldn't have been crucified, but then, his message wouldn't have been heard and his time on earth would be a waste.

And for jesus being perfect, he is perfect in the aspect of sin, he is free of it. Questioning God and his plan is not a sin, it is actually a sign of someone who is actively participating in their faith by trying to seek a greater understanding of their beliefs. When Jesus said "My God, why have you forsaken me" or "Take this cup away" in reference to him being crucified it was his human nature of fear that brought him to it and a desire to completely understand why he was going through what he was going through. Upturning the table in the temple could be considered a sin, but in no way a grave sin, the same as someone stopping a person from selling drugs by destroying that persons drugs is in no one committing a grave sin.

As for free will v. predistination, I see it as something like this. God has given us all free will and we have the ability to do what it is that we desire, but in being omniscient God is able to understand what our desires are and therefore know what we will choose to do and thus be able to understand the what, where, when, why and how of every event. It's like with anything, if you comprehend it fully, you can predict everything that will result from it, it's just that we as human beings are nowhere near capable of understanding free will and other people's motives and desires so we are not able to predict what will happen in the future.
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Posted on 04-11-06 11:57 PM Link | Quote
All this talk of Judas betraying Jesus because Jesus told him to do so is a little dumb. Jesus didn't have to tell Judas anything. God created our world so that he knew how everything could turn out, and he gave us the free will to do as we please to prove that.

To be honest, I think when Eve ate the apple, God gave up on humanity, but his son believed that we should be saved. And I think God abandoned him then, because why else would he say "God, why hast thou forsaken me?"

Everything is planned out already. But that doesn't mean you can't control your destiny, like Young Guru said.. God made it that way so we could be happy. But if anyone remembers some 4th dimension theory, it could be possible that if you knew the state the universe was currently in, what everything was doing at once, then you could predict what could happen anytime after that.

And who better to know this kind of thing than a being called God?

No Jesus wasn't perfect, and the Da Vinci code might have a point. I've never read any of the books, but I've heard enough to come to my own conclusion. In many of my novels focusing on religion, it is mentioned many times that Da Vinci was part of a few Free Masonry clans in his lifetime.

It is then VERY possible for him to find out from ancient texts that Jesus was, in fact, sleeping with Mary Magdalene, and which is why she is portrayed in his Last Supper painting.
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