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Kasumi-Astra Flurry                   Since: 11-18-05 From: Sheffield England Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| The hottest news in internetland at the moment is Apple Bootcamp! It allows Macintosh users that have Intel powered Macintoshes to dual-boot Windows onto their machine! It comes with all the neccessary bootloaders and drivers, so Windows is fully functional and native now.
Just wanted to say that I'm off to install Half-Life 2 now, and bask in the sunshine that is DirectX...  |
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Ailure Mr. Shine I just want peace...   Since: 11-17-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Kasumi-AstraDirect-x and sunshine in the same sentance? Z_Z Direct-x is a devoloper nightmare, and if there's something that have given me alot of trouble in the past and currently... So bootcamp makes up for the no EFI support in Windows if I understand it right. They was going to support EFI in Vista, but changed their mind about it...  |
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Karadur Red Paratroopa Since: 11-22-05 From: Chatham, Ontario, Canada Last post: 6541 days Last view: 6541 days |
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Read about this a couple days ago, and I find it rather interesting, but at the same time pointless, as I've never used a Mac, let alone one with an Intel processor  Heck. I've only seen a Mac in front of me once in my life, but I suppose that's trivial. The thing I find rather funny is that right after this competition was finished, Apple releases something that does the same job themselves, except a whole lot easier to work through _¬
Just a thought here, but might this be better suited for Hardware / Software? I'm not trying to imply that you posted it in the wrong forum or anything, but it just seems to me like it'd fit better there than here in General Chat 
Anyways, have fun installing Half-Life 2. That's not the first thing that comes to mind of what people want to install as soon as they get their computer set up and working, but at the same time, I suppose there's nothing wrong with it  |
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Deleted User Banned    Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6297 days |
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| Learn more about Boot Camp here. I heard about Boot Camp about a week ago when someone had posted that link on Rusted Magick. I would try it, but I have very few of the requirements for it. | |||
Tarale    2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Yes, I think this should probably be in Hardware / Software.
But yes, I've heard of this. I think it's great that Apple finally released something with regards to this. They had recognised early on that one of the selling points of their product is that it would be possible to dual-boot it; however it did take them a while to release a product to do the job. I also find it interesting that it was released so soon after the community found their own way to do it. I think this is a nice, nifty little product, especially for business users who want to use a Mac; but are tied into the Windows world in their work environment. |
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neotransotaku Sledge Brother Liberated from school...until MLK day  Since: 11-17-05 From: In Hearst Field Annex... Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Unless there is some external media device like a USB jump drive, boot camp won't let someone gather pictures in with iPhoto and send them off with Microsoft Outlook running on Windows. This is because you have to restart the computer to switch between operating systems. That fact is one of the biggest turn-offs I would have in this product and I think windows users would too.
Overall, this is an interesting move by Apple, a complete about face of their policy of not allowing Windows onto their machines. However, I think mac people will appreciate it, but not windows people. |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by neotransotaku When did they have a policy of not allowing Windows onto their machines? Apple spokespersons said on the day that the first Intel Mac was released that they were perfectly happy for Windows to be run on the Intel Mac; it's just that at that time there was no way to do it yet. What Apple have had is a policy of not allowing OS X onto other Intel machines (ie, Dells, home-made PC's, etc), but they've not had a policy at all of not allowing Windows onto the Intel Macs. (edited by Tarale on 04-07-06 11:15 PM) |
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Skydude Armos Knight  Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6570 days Last view: 6570 days |
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| Well this actually makes me slightly more likely to some day buy a Mac. But still pretty close to nil, since I've been a PC user all my life, and it would be odd to switch, even if Windows is now available on the Macs.
And just last year they released the "revolutionary" two-button mouse for Apple computers
It's like they're slowly becoming just another maker of PCs... |
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Originally posted by neotransotaku Actually, you can just use the Mac application for mail called Mail. Macs can send e-mails too. Originally posted by TaraleOriginally posted by neotransotaku Actually, there are no policies that prevent you from doing this. It's just that you can't run OS X on a Dell or Windows on a iMac. Those were the only preventions. Originally posted by Skydude One, the two button mouses are still sorta pointless for Macs. The reason they said it was "revolutionary" is because it had a scrollball instead of a disk and had side buttons that could do things that only Macs could do. Also, Macs pwn PCs. They would never steep so low. (edited by X DSMSTER X on 04-07-06 11:45 PM) |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by X DSMSTER X Yes, well that was the point I was trying to make, but I wanted to know where neotransotaku got his information saying that they DID have a policy against it. As a follower of Apple news, I've never heard anything saying that Apple have been against it (only ever the exact opposite) and it seems to me like fairly typical PC-user FUD. It's not the first time I've seen that FUD either. Oh, and you CAN run Windows on an iMac. Just has to be an INTEL iMac.
The fact that you can't run Windows on a G5 or G4 isn't a policy, it's the fact that it's an entirely different architecture (edited by Tarale on 04-08-06 12:11 AM) |
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Note how I said those WERE the only preventions. It's obvious that you can run Windows on iMacs. That's what this thread is about.  I really want to try this. |
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Kasumi-Astra Flurry Since: 11-18-05 From: Sheffield England Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Well, I'm sure you completely re-itterated what Taryn said, still
Windows was absolutely fine last night. I ran into trouble when I first tried to partition my disk because of a few things that Disk Utility complained about. I just booted into the installation disk and ran Disk Utility from there. After that I was away. The Windows setup utility was slower than usual. It probably only had support for single core processors and ran on only one core of my Intel Core Duo. After that, the installation was a bit faster. Windows never takes 39 minutes to install these days, and the iMac was no exeption. Oddly, it didn't seem quite as fast as my original Athlon... After getting all the drivers installed Windows was absolutely fine. The first thing I did was burn a disk in OS X that contained Zone Alarm, Avast! some wallpapers and lololol, before connecting to the internet. Has the relative security of OS X made me wary of using Windows? The answer would appear to be yes. So... Here's the question. Would I be running all my apps in Windows now? Hell no. The only thing I'm using it for is gaming, because honestly that's all Windows is good for! Starting up and shutting down is clunky, configuring and maintenance takes up far to much time and when running demanding games you can start to see the wholes in the operating system. When changing the settings and quitting out of Half Life 2, I didn't expect it to take so long. It took about 10-20 seconds to do what OS X does instantly. Direct comparisons between running WoW on Windows and on OS X have shown it to run significantly better on Windows. No comparisons have been made between running the game using OpenGL on Windows and on the Mac, but I'd expect it to be a much fairer fight. For me, what OS X lacks in raw gaming power it makes up in convenience. Starting and closing WoW happens almost instantly and smoothly. When you start it and stop it, the desktop fades away and fades in without fail. When switching between WoW and Thottbot in a browser, it never needs to take the time to think about it. I can even watch digital TV, encode MPEG 4 video and play WoW at the same time, and the performance of each will scale down smoothly. One performance hit in one will not cause the others to stutter. So runnng Windows on my Mac is only a device that allows me to run games on my Mac. It's still a bona-fide Macintosh to me. The only improvement I can imagine is an advanced, revolutionary vitrualisation technology for running Windows applications in OS X flawlessly. This technology was actually on the design board of Openstep, the third-party OS project that eventually became OS X. Could this have stayed on the cards as long as Intel compiled versions of OS X has been? Who knows. I'll be darn sure to be keeping an eye out for a "One More Thing..." from Steve when he finally announces OS X 10.5 Leopard in August though. At the very least, it would be interesting to see any extra functionality in the full version of Boot Camp. |
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firemaker Cheep-cheep Since: 12-13-05 From: Somewhere in a place called Berkshire Last post: 6375 days Last view: 6375 days |
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| Yeah I heard about this. So those guys who hacked the mac earlier this year efforts were in vane. Harsh, I might actually buy a mac now, cause they damn well look apealling to me. | |||
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by firemaker LOL -- no they weren't! They got a bunch of money and got to say that they were the ones who worked it out They did it without the knowledge that Apple have too. I don't think Boot Camp takes away from their achievement.
Kasumi -- On Leopard, I hope they fix the Finder this time. There's been some stuff floating about that is pointing to changes with the Finder; but I wonder.... |
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Kasumi-Astra Flurry Since: 11-18-05 From: Sheffield England Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Yeah, it's no secret that finder is in for improvements. I think it was a job description that gave it away. Personally I'm looking forward to a interface theme overhaul to syncronise the brushed metal and the new iTunes looks, as well as improvements to OpenGL. Spotlight could use an upgrade, to allow search queries.
Of course, my favorite bit is always the bit you shouldn't hope for... The "One More Thing"... |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Kasumi-Astra I'm just hoping for an end to the Spinning Beachball of Death. The job description doesn't say much, we could just be looking at more features when what we really need is them to seriously look at the core stability of the Finder first. But then, the Finder has been something that OS X users have been wanting fixed since the beginning of OS X. They thought it would happen in each version, stuff pointed to it in Panther and Tiger too...... |
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