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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - World Affairs/Debate - Religion is falling! The immoral level is rising! |
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Zer0wned Koopa                 Since: 12-09-05 From: Torrance, ca Last post: 6453 days Last view: 6453 days |
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Originally posted by DracoonOriginally posted by Zer0wned Well, I'll just take your word on that one, hell if I'm gonna research that, I'll get a million things telling me a million things. Maybe I'll just say people that condemn homosexuality using religion to do so? That's a little more accurate... |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES   Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I'm going to close this thread for a few hours so everyone can cool down (WINDWAKER, SKYON, SILVERSHIELD, EVERYONE). I'll make a full out response about what I think on this whole debacle in a few hours when this thread gets reopened. | |||
Silvershield   580   Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Plus Sign AbominationZiff, with all due respect - not that you're inherently due any sort of respect just for the color of your name, but anyhow - there was nothing wrong with the discussion whatsoever. There hadn't been any sort of flame or ill-advised remark since the thread's early posts, and each instance had since been resolved. But at least now we can all eagerly await Ziff's highly anticipated, infinitely important opinion. |
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Clockworkz Birdon Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| That's right; irritate him more, dumbass. Learn to fucking respect the authority in this forum, you twit. Let's just try to get back on topic, mmkay?
Here's what I have to say, since I don't feel like sifting through a page of bullshit and flame (and silvershield, this isn't directed to you, per sey): I hate intolerance. I don't care if you think you're right. You're an intolerant little cock sucker, and that's all there is to it, using religion as a pathetic reason to fuel your insipid narrow minded views that some dumbass hand fed to you, and if you're stupid enough to hate someone becasue of what other people make you believe, then fuck you and every part of you. Someone's gay. Who the fuck cares? Oh shit; the world's coming to a fucking end. Nothing will change. I can almost guarentee that. A little anti-homosexual propagnda has been seen floating about. The gay world is not going to fall to its knees. No pun intended. (Ok, that was bad of me right there) Why d'ya think I'm Neo-pagan? I'm not gay myself, but Neo-paganism is a very accepting religion, allowing gays and bisexuals into the reigns of the religion; however, the openness of that religion draws too much attention, and gay people join too easily, without understanding it fully; they join to take refuge, and that's not a good reason if you don't fully understand what you're getting into. (edited by cockworkz lol on 04-08-06 12:26 AM) |
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| I'm going to agree with the comment regarding intolerance. I think that intolerance is pretty much the key word here with a lot of the arguments regarding homosexuality.
A lot of people are intolerant of homosexuality, and a good deal many more seem to use religion as a way of explaining why they are. It often seems to me like an excuse more than anything more concrete. My understanding of Christianity isn't one of specific rules, I took Jesus' teachings to be about love and forgiveness. I didn't take any of Jesus' teachings to say that homosexuality was a bad thing, I certainly didn't take any of his teachings to say that it was "wrong" or that those people should be hated, etc. From my understandings, Jesus would have been much more forgiving than a lot of Christians can be. Now, this isn't all Christians, mind, but it is certainly some, and there are examples of it in this thread. It seems to me that in a number of cases, religion is merely being used as an excuse for intolerance. I wish more people who call themselves Christians would be more forgiving and tolerant. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by SilvershieldOriginally posted by Plus Sign AbominationZiff, with all due respect - not that you're inherently due any sort of respect just for the color of your name, but anyhow - there was nothing wrong with the discussion whatsoever. There hadn't been any sort of flame or ill-advised remark since the thread's early posts, and each instance had since been resolved. You want my opinion? I think you should shut up for once and let the moderator do their job. Clockworkz, I don't need you insulting people. Consider this a warning. (edited by Plus Sign Abomination on 04-08-06 12:46 AM) |
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windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6325 days Last view: 6303 days |
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| I'm intolerant of people who use refridgerators and watch House, yet that doesn't give me the right to tell people that they can't use/watch them/it.
edit: considering that an admin, Rydain, didn't see it was fit to close the thread, and posted in it, I'd say the precedent was the situation was over. Silvershield was pretty right. (edited by windwaker on 04-08-06 12:52 AM) |
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Wurl Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6337 days Last view: 6337 days |
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Originally posted by Skyon Hate to break your heart, but homosexuality does happen in nature. Apes and Dolphins have been known to have homosexual sex. They are also known to have sex for pleasure. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by windwaker I closed it for a few hours so that people could calm the fuck down. If you don't like it stay out of the fucking forum. Plain and simple. |
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windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6325 days Last view: 6303 days |
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Originally posted by Plus Sign Abomination It's hard to piss people off when they can't see what you're saying. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Now you're getting it!
I closed this thread, TEMPORARILY YOU COCKS, so that people could cool down. Collect their thoughts and not resort to telling each other to fuck off or whatever. If you don't like my choice as a moderator, go away, plain and simple. I closed this so that it would'nt become a pile-on. But of course, no matter what I do, I'm going to have you people whining about it. |
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Silvershield 580 Since: 11-19-05 From: Emerson, New Jersey Last post: 6308 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Clockworkz, I don't respect any sort of authority figure who cannot pay me the same courtesy. I'll piss off Ziff all I want, as long as he continues to paint himself as the superhumanly objective, all-knowing seer who benevolently rules the forum, I'll continue to question his actions. I think that, at the very least, it's my right (and maybe even my responsbility) as a member of this board.
Ziff, I'll shut up and let you do your job when you start living up to your responsibility. You are charged with the supervision of this forum not so that you can close a topic or censure a person when the topic or person leans in a way that is distasteful to your politics, but so that you can keep flames and rampant insults at a minimum but otherwise allow discussion to flow as it may. The best discussions occur without a moderator sitting atop his perch and turning the evil eye on any poster who exp |
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Wurl Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6337 days Last view: 6337 days |
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| I wasn't aware Ziff ever proclaimed himself God of Everything. It was a good idea to shut it for a while; it was getting pretty crazy. | |||
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Tarale 2710 Affected by 'Princess Bitch-Face Syndrome' ++++!! Persona non grata Since: 11-17-05 From: Adelaide, Australia Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Personally, if I were in charge at the moment, I'd be closing this thread again temporarily just because of this NEW off-topic argument.
If you have problems with the way Ziff runs things, it is NOT appropriate to disrupt those threads (at all other thread-participants expense) to voice that opinion. I have no problems with him having closed the thread temporarily. It was only temporarily, it was for good reason, it was re-opened, no harm was done to any user, nobody was banned, warned, etc. If you are unhappy with decisions made, it is NOT fair to disrupt a thread because of it -- take those opinions elsewhere, to Ziff directly, or open a thread where you discuss civilly your complaints. If you are unable to be civil about your complaints and you are unable to make complaints without ruining threads for everybody else, I suggest you do take Ziff's advice and leave. |
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Rydain Sir Kibble Blaze Phoenix Runs with the Dragon Within  Since: 11-18-05 From: State College, PA Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Tarale - Well said. This thread needs an entire pharmacy full of chill pills. If you have a problem with how a staffer moderates, file a complaint elsewhere. For instance, you can PM a higher-up so they can pass your comments along for discussion with the rest of staff. Derailing a thread loses the original conversation and doesn't help solve any problem that the staffer might be causing.
Thread temporarily closed. |
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beneficii Broom Hatter Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Reopening for now. If, however, the discussion veers off-topic again (such as reverting to going after Ziff), then a more permanent locking of the thread may be required, as be some warnings/bans.
If you have an issue with the moderating staff on this forum, please PM either Ziff or me about it, create a thread specifically about your complaint, or PM an admin. Please do NOT derail an existing thread to complain about the moderating staff, as off-topic posting in a thread is not allowed. |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Tarale This is exactly right. In fact, Jesus forgave all sins, no matter how severe. What is a sin comes into question though, is being homosexual a sin? To the Jewish people? Maybe, it is in the Old Testament; however, in the new testament, Jesus seemed to accept everyone no matter what life style they lived. If it is an unchangable thing, I don't think Jesus would really care that much. It's similiar to say Jesus hates arabic/white/black/asian/native americans. |
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Valcion Knuckle Joe too much high power man  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| The only reasons why things like homosexuality were considered sins back in the day because they all thought sperm was very limited, and the mortality rate was rather high.
so you had to make your shot count, if you catch my drift. The same goes along the lines of masturbation as well. (which i know for a fact, if you post on this board, you're more than likely a pro) With that, Skyon, you are exactly the type of people that give catholicism a bad name. Ever wonder why people give them a bad name? Look in the mirror. You are the epiotme of a bigoted, cross-up-the-ass fanatic. The REAL cool christians are the ones that are open minded, and actually question thing. Oh yeah and they don't get all caught up on details like you seem to. (edited by Valcion on 04-08-06 03:27 PM) |
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geeogree Red Cheep-cheep Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6310 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| [sigh].... when Jesus forgave someone of their sins.... he would also add on a comment like.... go and sin no more
just because sins can be forgiven doesn't mean they are okay to commit in the first place |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite. Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Yes, but did Jesus believe it was a sin to be gay? |
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