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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - ROM Hacking - Call to make a new, LM-like SMW editor |
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FreeDOS + Giant Red Koopa Legion: freedos = fritos                   Since: 11-17-05 From: Seattle Last post: 6287 days Last view: 6287 days |
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Chelsea Enhancements... I don't know too much about LM's hidden features, but I'm sure that it has something to do with locking the ROM too. On that regard, I think it might actually include whoever's RLM program, which is GPL (same as this) and it unlocks ROMs that can be read by Lunar Magic (DW:TLC is done in such an expansion that the public's LM can't handle anyway, so decrypting its data still won't let it load in normal LM  ).  If a ROM can be read by an emulator, there will be a way to load it into an editor, since no data is being lost, just locked into a format the editor won't understand.
I think the library name might end up being really basic, such as libsmwhax. Better names can be added onto the GUI applications, icons would be handled by them too. HF: Well, perhaps the ASM stuff is good for this section of the board, but not for people wanting basic editing of SMW. The main reason that this thread here is because it has people with the knowlege (or will to learn) about low-level SMW stuff. |
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Kailieann  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6287 days Last view: 6287 days |
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| Chelsea is obsolete in 1.63. It used to be the Credits/Title Screen editors.
The hack-locking one is Chibi-Moon. |
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HyperHacker Star Mario Finally being paid to code in VB! If only I still enjoyed that. <_< Wii #7182 6487 4198 1828 Since: 11-18-05 From: Canada, w00t! My computer's specs, if anyone gives a damn. STOP TRUNCATING THIS >8^( Last post: 6287 days Last view: 6287 days |
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| Hm... I got to thinking last night, even if we could pull this off, how could we retain compatibility with all the ASM hacks and custom blocks out there? They're all designed specifically for an LM-modified ROM. The original SMW engine is very limited, for example, you can only use levels 1-24 on the main overworld, they have to be in a certain order, and you can only use 1xx on submaps, etc... I think it'd take a lot of hacking to work around some of these restrictions that would otherwise make hacking it a nightmare. Then we end up with different ASM hacks than Fu's, in different places, etc. All these other hacks and tools expect specific code in specific places and may use parts of it or place their own data in what they expect to be unused space. I can't see any viable way to retain much if any compatibility with existing hacks and a lot of custom blocks, which would upset quite a few people. | |||
Sukasa Birdo Not quite as active as before. Xkeeper supporter Xk > ||bass I IP Banned myself! Twice!  Since: 11-17-05 From: Somewhere over there Last post: 6288 days Last view: 6287 days |
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| I think, in effect, that this new editor would have to emulate LM's changes on the SMW ROM to be useful. How about opening level 000, then saving it to it's exact original location? Then, make an IPS, and have SMW-Edit use that patch. Voila, you have a (mostly) LM-compliant set of ASM hacks, and with IPSelect, you should be able to locate all of the individual ASM hacks and copy them over, repeatedly doing that as you need, right? | |||
Techokami Porcupo  Since: 12-03-05 From: Mass-uh-chew-sits USofA Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6288 days |
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| Hmmm, sounds interesting.
If you need someone to test the libs on a *NIX environment (like Linux), I'm your man. =) Been dying for a Linux-compatable SMW hacking tool... |
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FreeDOS + Giant Red Koopa Legion: freedos = fritos Since: 11-17-05 From: Seattle Last post: 6287 days Last view: 6287 days |
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Yo, I'm back from college finals and stuff. I'll pick up where I left off, if I can (I've been keeping a doc just for this case  ). I've taken a look at SMW Dev Environment, and it definately doesn't seem to be what I want, no offense to HabsoluteFate of course.
Techokami: How many environments can you test? I fear that I won't test it on non-GNU/Linux most of the time, but hope it will still work on any system with at least the GNU compilers/toolchains (BSDs, some OpenSolarises, etc). If anything, I'd need testers for MS Windows and Mac OS X, the two OSes I know I will never open (Making a GNUstep-compatible front end seems good for OS X; people on OS X and *nix w/ GNUstep alike can all run a similar UI) |
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Xenesis Blipper  Since: 11-19-05 From: Australia Last post: 6288 days Last view: 6287 days |
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| Even though I'm not huge on the SMW hacking, (I just like to fiddle with things here and there, make stuff up as I go along, etc.), I'd be more than happy to test the app in Mac OSX. | |||
Pac Bandit Free Ice Man!  Since: 11-18-05 From: Ireland Rate me Last post: 6287 days Last view: 6287 days |
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| All this sounds incredibly interesting. 3 months of Java is the only experience I've ever had with programming, so I wouldn't be able to help, but I'm really looking forward to see what you guys can come up with. | |||
Yoshi Master Shyguy  Since: 11-18-05 From: That one place. Last post: 6300 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| Personally, I think you should make a really good snes mario bros. 1, 2, or 3 editors. I personally find the smb. 3 editor aggrivating and can't find any for 1 & 2. Possibly make an editor able to edit all the games in mario all-stars + SMW. I don't see that happening, but it would rock! | |||
Squash Monster Bouncy Since: 11-18-05 From: Right next to myself. Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6288 days |
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| Is anyone still going to go along with this?
I'll help with whatever I can, though I'm usually busy, and technically a Java programmer. But, either way, if this is finished, it's still in library format, and it's remotely reasonable to access the library from Java, I will program a working "Do my hack for me." button. No joke. |
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Sparx Waddle Doo  Since: 11-18-05 From: San Diego Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6287 days |
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A "Do my hack for me" button? What EXACTLY would that do? |
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Sukasa Birdo Not quite as active as before. Xkeeper supporter Xk > ||bass I IP Banned myself! Twice! Since: 11-17-05 From: Somewhere over there Last post: 6288 days Last view: 6287 days |
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| So, uh, what do you guys want me to do right now?
I'm going on Xmas holidayz soon, so I should be able to keep up with some of what I should be doing here (KATW, i'm looking at Tpo100Tv2). |
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MathOnNapkins  1100  In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6287 days Last view: 6287 days |
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The obvious answer is to delete all copies of SMW on your HD and infect all your programs with malicious virii.  |
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Sukasa Birdo Not quite as active as before. Xkeeper supporter Xk > ||bass I IP Banned myself! Twice! Since: 11-17-05 From: Somewhere over there Last post: 6288 days Last view: 6287 days |
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| and how would I do that?
I can't even remember where every version of SMW is on the drive, nor can I get any viruses onto it, no internet on it... Meh, I'll just start making lists on certain things. |
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Smallhacker Super Koopa I AM A Group Of Officially Frustrated Younglings, G.O.O.F.Y. MEMBER |
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| I can still give some help if it's needed. | |||
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MathOnNapkins 1100 In SPC700 HELL Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6287 days Last view: 6287 days |
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Originally posted by Sukasa I was talking to Twinklestar. "Do my hack for me" button? What EXACTLY would that do? |
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Ailure Mr. Shine I just want peace...  Since: 11-17-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6287 days Last view: 6287 days |
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| You know, if there is ever a open source editor SMW in a usable state, I might make a such button.
Though, as everyone know... random, or at least... semi-random levels are boring.
Not impossible to do, and there is already a such concept with other games... such as doom. But thoose levels tend to be... sucky. :/ (edited by Ailure on 12-15-05 02:08 AM) |
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Squash Monster Bouncy Since: 11-18-05 From: Right next to myself. Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6288 days |
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| What would the button do?
Replace the selected level with whatever the program feels like at the moment. ...That is to say, Ailure gets a happy smile point for being right about random level generators. Sukasa was asking for what to start with? Personally, I'd recomend pinning down the game's level format. (edited by Squash Monster on 12-15-05 11:59 AM) |
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FreeDOS + Giant Red Koopa Legion: freedos = fritos Since: 11-17-05 From: Seattle Last post: 6287 days Last view: 6287 days |
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If anyone cares, here's what I got within the three days I was working on it.. 
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Sukasa Birdo Not quite as active as before. Xkeeper supporter Xk > ||bass I IP Banned myself! Twice! Since: 11-17-05 From: Somewhere over there Last post: 6288 days Last view: 6287 days |
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| Hmmm... I could try for that. FreeDOS got some good stuff, but it should be fun to try and decode the rest of the header... .mwl storm, here I come! |
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