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| Acmlm's Board - I3 Archive - General Gaming - Fights you should lose but can win (some spoilers, maybe) |
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Skydude Armos Knight                     Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6568 days Last view: 6568 days |
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| One thing I've always really liked in games are fights where the story essentially dictates that you lose, but it is actually possible to win them, and the game recognizes that you won, even if it proceeds in the same manner. This could be a slight dialogue change (maybe "ah, but now I'll show you my REAL power!") or in some cases a rather major shift. It doesn't happen that often, but when it does, it's just very enjoyable.
Examples include Lufia II, where if you overlevel you can beat the Sinistral Gades for the first time, and you get his sword, which is one of the better weapons in the game, before he powers up and takes you out anyway, and Chrono Trigger, where on a New Game+ it's possible to beat the overpowered Lavos at the Ocean Palace, netting you the developer's room ending. I've always been annoyed at the staged battles where you're forced to lose, but I realize some of those are necessary for story reasons. It's nice when the game developers allow you to have a victory there, even if it's just a short one before the boss takes you out anyway. Anyone else able to think of some good examples of this? |
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Riku Sledge Brother Unpredictable. Watch your backs. Or not. Whichever. I want Metal Gear Solid 4 so badly. Since: 11-17-05 From: Tompkinsville Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Well, the first thing that comes to mind is Leon in Kingdom Hearts. Nothing great, but worth the extra experience there. |
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Stephan Reiken Blipper  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6296 days |
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Fullmetal vs Flame + Strong Arm You need not win, and if you do well enough you get an item... but they are the hardest boss in the game. Typical... |
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Skreename Giant Red Paratroopa Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6302 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| The solo Butz/Bartz vs. Enkidou battle in FF5 is one of the "hard-to-beat-but-not-impossible" ones... If you beat him, a treasure chest appears. You open the treasure chest, it releases gas, knocking Butz/Bartz out, and having all of your party be captured anyway. I'm not sure what you get from it, aside from some extra experience... And probably a potion or something like that. | |||
Heian-794 Red Paratroopa Since: 01-02-06 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6330 days |
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| One more is in Tales of Destiny, when you have to fight Leon as he comes to arrest you. It's a very difficult battle, and I had to stock up on Energy Bullets (maybe?) and level up several times in order to win it.
And instead of the story proceeding normally (as I was expecting), some more soldiers come in and haul you away; it's a Game Over! Isn't there a glitch if you somehow win the Golbez/Shadow Dragon battle in FF4? |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Breath of Fire 3 had some I believe.
When you're captured by those two that capture Nina. You can beat them. You can beat the dragon gaurdian guy (god it's been forever since I've last played) and become the champion. I'm sure there are other ones... |
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Adamant Buzz Blob Staff Wii have Wii  Since: 11-17-05 From: Norway Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Heian-794 Haven't tried it, but all the other staged battles in that game makes the game proceed the exact same way no matter whether you win or lose. The most annoying one is Paladin Cecil VS Dark Knight Cecil on Mount Ordeals, where you are supposed to not enter any commands to "win" the battle, but due to your opponent's relatively low HP (4000 or so, I think) and strength, it's not hard at all to win by simply attacking. In fact, that was how I beat him the first time I played the game. |
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Sexy-Derby Goomba  Since: 11-18-05 From: St-Georges,Quebec,Canada Last post: 6580 days Last view: 6580 days |
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Originally posted by AdamantOriginally posted by Heian-794 lol i did not know than to defeat Dark Paladin we are suposed to not enter commend.Each time i play the game i always kill him by attacking! |
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neotransotaku Sledge Brother Liberated from school...until MLK day  Since: 11-17-05 From: In Hearst Field Annex... Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| The MMX1 opening level--99% of the time you can't win against the reploid in that robot but with nifty skills you can cause enough damage... | |||
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6568 days Last view: 6568 days |
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| I'm actually surprised they made it so you can beat the Dark Cecil...it's not like they haven't done something like that before. In just the previous game, each round the unbeatable bosses fully-healed, unseen, any damage you'd done to them. | |||
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Sexy-Derby Goomba Since: 11-18-05 From: St-Georges,Quebec,Canada Last post: 6580 days Last view: 6580 days |
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The first fight In ff2 (nes) is beatable too,cheating 
And they can leave you some good equipment ! |
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Adamant Buzz Blob Staff Wii have Wii Since: 11-17-05 From: Norway Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Skydude Nepto in FF3 is fully beatable, you just have to spend a year or so levelling first. You don't get anything for your trouble, though, and after the battle, you'll be placed on the square right before the battle, where he'll attack again as if nothing had happened. Kain in FF4 can be beaten in the same way, but just like Nepto, these bosses are so incredibly powerful at the time you meet them, there's no way anyone would actually bother to get strong enough to try without cheating, while Dark Knight Cecil is entirely beatable when you first face him. (edited by Adamant on 04-03-06 05:20 PM) (edited by Adamant on 04-04-06 08:15 AM) |
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Apophis Ropa  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| Pahn vs. Teo in Suikoden. Almost impossible to do, but needed for the best ending. | |||
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Skydude Armos Knight Since: 02-18-06 From: Stanford, CA Last post: 6568 days Last view: 6568 days |
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| I just checked some FAQs, and saw that you're right in that, Adamant. I figured it was like Bahamut, who is in fact unbeatable the first time you face him. | |||
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C:/xkas bio.asm Compiled ASM code  Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by neotransotaku If I renember correctly, that boss don't even have HP, the 'hit' you do isn't even counted by the game, same thing for the rematch against him (before Zero sacrifice) |
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1207 Red Goomba  Since: 04-03-06 From: Carmel, New York Last post: 6608 days Last view: 6608 days |
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Trying to defeat your own party in Chrono Cross when you play as Lynx for the first time. Although I've never done it myself, even through the 'New Game Plus', I've heard that it is possible. Although the story does not change at all if you do it, I think your pride does in the fact that you beat... yourself.  |
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Trapster King Dedede Since: 11-19-05 From: Sweden Last post: 6403 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Adamant Nepto is what made me stop playing FF3. I thought it was a boos that you were supposed to beat to get rid of the trouble for the city.  |
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Amanda Red Paratroopa Since: 03-13-06 From: Georgia Last post: 6338 days Last view: 6308 days |
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That's the case in Magna Carta with....Orha! (I couldn't remember his name for the life of me). But I couldn't win it. XD I lost it a few times before I realized 'ZOMG MUST RUN AWAY." I wanted to beat him though.  |
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Wurl Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6337 days Last view: 6337 days |
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Originally posted by Apophis Did it. |
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Lord Rahl Red Paragoomba  Since: 11-17-05 From: Alberta, Canada Last post: 6497 days Last view: 6497 days |
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| The first time you fight Kratos in Tales of Symphonia. There are a couple dialogue changes, and you do get EXP for the fight. Right after this fight though, you fight Yggdrasill, and the fight ends a couple minutes in even if all your characters are still standing. |
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