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Crayola Double stone axe                  Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6363 days Last view: 6326 days |
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| Ok there are three main things that I think hold back further improvement of the USA or the world in general. Please keep in mind that I have formed only opinions so far and not full blown belief in what I’m about to list, I just want to hear your opinions and or other things you guys might consider harmful to Americas growth (not talking about population but intellectually,financially,and freedoms in general)
1: religion : don’t get me wrong religion is good and blah blah blah,but I think religion holds us back a lot and I think when they say separation of church and state that what they should have said was separation of church and state except Christianity. reasons why I feel this way is because we have a moment of silence in class every day, hmm that silence is supposedly to show respect for those who died in the 911 attack but what it really is, is a moment for prayer. Anyways I don’t pray in class and I am forced to be silent. That is not the part that bothers me I think that they hide behind 911 as a ruse when what they’re really allowing time for is prayer in class, I don’t care if they have prayer in class for that min but I think they should at least be honest about it and say what it really is. I know at this point most of you are like he is an atheist but this is not so If I had to pick a religion it would be Christianity, I believe there is a Omni-present being out there somewhere. (And check out god’s debris by the guy who draws Dilbert)I loved it. There are also religious overtones all throughout the country mostly the bible belt you may have heard this term in history (blue laws)if you don’t already know what they are ill explain. Blue laws are basically laws based on restrictions in the bible. Most of them refer to restrictions on the day of the Sabbath (Sunday); there are many blue laws that restrict the sale of alcohol on Sunday. I have reached one conclusion with blue laws --it’s that there is a contradiction between separation of church and state, and living in a democracy. There is a lot more I could write about religion but I won’t this post is big enough already. And I think they should keep GOD in the pledge, just saying. And the catholic church is corrupt a s*&t how can they abolish limbo to attract more flowerers aka: money, anybody remember the Crusades I do and how Indians and others were killed for not believing the Christian beliefs ,and how many states restricted other religions from entering them when America was first founded ,because of religious differences. Ok ill stop now #2: Government: no surprise here, government is corrupt as can be almost as much as the news or the Catholic Church. Freedom of speech my ass .Ok I got kicked out of school for five days went to court twice and did 20 hours community service cause I flipped off my principle, ok I know it wasn’t the smartest thing to do but point is, is that I got in trouble for a finger ,does anyone else see how stupid that is? But i got off subject just a little what I really wanted to talk about was CORRUPTION............cough..Cough...Nixon...cough...Bush....* Let me be a little more to the point why would we need to go to war umm let me see OIL!! There was 911 and I myself was all for restitution but not by killing innocent people. America is hated all over the world don’t believe me learn a foreign language and watch their news. The government abuses our American loyalty by taking our people and throwing them in a war which they don’t belong over money, I’m broke as I don’t know what and I wouldn’t risk someone else’s life over it. And at this point you would call me an anarchist but anarchy doesn’t work (watch slc punks) .what I would really like to see is a reform we have kept the same basic laws for 400 years why not take a chance with something different ,with a new generation comes an accelerated need for reform because the beliefs of a new generation aren’t the same as an older one .Think about the conflicts you have with your parents over difference of opinion ,what I’m saying is that we have a 400 year span of differences. THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS REFORM even if I have to be a dirty politician to reform it i will. #3-human nature in itself holds us back I think we should all take a position as a Stoic or a Taoist; ever seen a riot it’s a pretty nasty thing point is there isn’t enough reason in this world today. Common sense-I hate this term the name itself makes me think about Conformity. I act of my own freewill I place no restrictions on myself and by doing that place no limits on achievements, goals, exc. They say a man responds better in the job below the one he is qualified for because he feels limited and that he can’t improve any further so there is nothing to work towards. It would be like winning the lottery and getting everything you could ever imagine what next, what could you offer a man that owns the world? What would improve his day? Nothing point is ,is that he is restricted by his money in the amount of happiness he can have. I have personally never experience love itself by which I’m mean loving another person besides family any friends. I have made love but it was not anything near the definition of love since I met the chick like 3 minutes before it happened. Me being a skeptic (because i was brought up around lies, damn Santa clause) I do not believe that love exists I have never felt it .but then you’d say something like you can’t touch air but its there. Bulls*%t I have come to two conclusions love is either non-existent or over exaggerated. But back to the main topic how does this hold us back? We spend the better part of our life looking for love (still am it’s like bigfoot to me) what could we have accomplished in the time it takes to comb our hair are wax our backs, could have cured cancer or aids by now(which I’m pretty sure the government has the cures to they make to much money$$ from it to want to cure it)I have resolved to stop searching for love and let it find me (if it exists) that seems like the best solution, Oh there is so much more I could write but I’ll wait for your responses to add them sorry in advance for the crude examples and bad spelling and grammar, but I apologize for nothing I said these are my opinions and I wouldn’t ask for an apologie for anyone if they disagreed or thought different than me, that’s what makes America great differences. (edited by Crayola on 03-21-06 12:02 AM) (edited by Crayola on 03-21-06 12:03 AM) (edited by Crayola on 03-21-06 12:27 AM) (edited by Crayola on 04-24-06 01:16 AM) (edited by Crayola on 04-24-06 01:19 AM) |
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Rom Manic    Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| The world is comfy with the way it works. So long as people can make ridiculous sums of money nothing will change.
And nobody cares about Africa. Nobody but the bleeding hearts who can't do anything and those who have an obligation to make the worls problems their own, like the WHO and NATO. That much has been proven with Rwanda and Algeria alone, along with tons of other unstable countries. Most Europeans have grown accustomed to the way things are run so much that those conditions will never change. The nexus of civilization is America, and because of that nobody from America will spend their hard earned money on a poor country's development or stabilization. If it were up to me, there'd be a convention in place to keep a globally stable environment in place. But that would cost money, which (Yet again) nobody will put into that. God forbid the corporations who profit into war agreements lose some money. The church has no real power anywhere outside America, so that can be ruled out. But in other parts of the world, faith has alot to do with the way things are run, especially in Arab countries. They have very strict mantra's that they stick to like glue. Hell, most Islamic people pray 3 times a day, whereas christians rarely even go to church. A church would be lucky to see some people visit even on Easter and Christmas, the 2 most important days in the year. But God Bless America, for our wars are justified in the name of the god and the people. (edited by Rom Manic on 03-21-06 12:59 AM) |
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Sinfjotle Lordly? No, not quite.  Since: 11-17-05 From: Kansas Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6295 days |
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| The church is a very weird noun to use in America. There is no one established church after all, there are a ton of them.
Bush follows a part of Christianity that many Christians would disagree with, it is the same with any other politician, I'm just saying the church has no power, the people in charge just happen to be religious. As for your whole corruption thing, that will always be there. Until people who really care about the country and the people, it will always be there. When it becomes free to run elections, we'd have a chance. |
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1117 Mumbies Since: 03-16-06 From: Peoria, Illinois Last post: 6627 days Last view: 6627 days |
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| The politicians doing things according to church and "morals" is whats holding america back. We need some truely unbiased(as far as that area goes)politicians. | |||
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Thexare Metal battleaxe Off to better places  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by JeffreyGlen That sounds like it'd take one hell of a robot. You better get to work on that. I'd try to reply to the first post, but it's making about as much sense as the tutorials in Final Fantasy Tactics (which suck, btw) right now. Your sentences are too long, your paragraphcs aren't focused enough, and your complaints seem to be all over the place. Honestly, I'd suggest completely rewriting that - you may have some good ideas there, but if we can't figure out what you're saying we'll never know. |
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Wurl Since: 11-17-05 Last post: 6337 days Last view: 6337 days |
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Originally posted by JeffreyGlen What do you consider biased? Maybe this is just me, but I support or don't support a politician on his/her actions and philosophies. And isn't favoring an ideology biased then? And if so, what's un biased? Agreeing half-half? |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6363 days Last view: 6326 days |
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| Man I really need to edit my first post, that’s all that needs to be said but I haven’t got the time now. Maybe I ought to write a new "what is holding America back”
I think I will but right now I am too busy but i think I made a lot of good points but just didn’t exp (edited by Crayola on 04-24-06 01:35 AM) |
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Rom Manic Since: 12-18-05 From: Detroit, WHAT?! Last post: 6295 days Last view: 6295 days |
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Originally posted by Wurl An unbiased politician couldn't exist. A politician belongs to a party because that is where the majority, if not all, his morals and virtues reflect him the best. If a politician were to become unbiased, they would have to strip themselves of any values, and look at eah side of any decision based purely on fact, and what is more beneficial in the end. ....Ok, maybe not PURELY on fact, but personal values would play a very small role in that. |
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Deleted User Banned    Since: 05-08-06 Last post: None Last view: 6296 days |
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Originally posted by Crayola On the religious section, It's not that religion holds america back, but instead it's only a matter of time before the government will overthrow religion to the point(I believe) of where the government will view christianity as a witchcraft, which witchcraft is illegal at least where I come from, because they will look at christianity as an illogical opinion of church leaders; that spirituality is not going to be "true". This all occur when (I believe) the antichrist comes, and claims he is the Messiah, and that he will save all people from the war, and there will be a "peace"; and yeah, there actually will be peace for a short time, and at this time anyone who was not saved through Jesus Christ will be left behind on earth, yet they will still have a chance to be saved during this time of trial and tribulation; that is why the liberal world scares me they always are against religious views or morals, because it digs deeper into this prophecy found in the book of 1st and 2nd Thessolonians and Revealations in the Bible and others too, but I don't remember. America will ultimately deny Christ; even being the religion that was originally founded this country. When this happens the "antichrist" will come then he will pass a law for everyone to bear a mark on their right hand or forehead, there have been signs already of the mark coming to pass, scientists have found a way to use microchips as a way to pass currancy; my opinion is it will be a microchip inserted into your right hand, but then again it's just a theory of what the mark will be. The mark hinders you and denies you to ever have a chance to see heaven, and being automatcally doomed for hell; during this time there will be "outlaws" that are christians, because they will not take the mark and they won't be allowed to buy or sell, but also will be prosecuted, and they will be viewed as haters (kind of like they're looked at now). Yes, you guessed it I'm christian, and this is a christian idea of how it does not hold America back, because sooner or later like I said there will be a law for no christianity, but that may be decades away, some people say only years, but I still think it's decades. But remember it's just a christion opinion, I'm not slamming anyone here... |
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Jomb Deddorokku  Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| If America is destined to Deny Christ and all, then why would you care that the government wishes to be religion-neutral? If its going to work out that way regardless, then how is it holding us back? It would seem it would actually just be pushing your prophecy forward and accelerating your rise to heaven. no? | |||
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| Sad to say, I'm not living the best christian life right now, I'm kind of in the darkness, and everything that brings the prophecy sooner just scares the crap out of me, because of what I believe. Everytime the liberal world brings in a law or an order, it goes against christian beliefs most the time, and it just means it's one step closer to the end time; I say these things not out of arrogance, but because I'm scared... | |||
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Jomb Deddorokku Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| But you are a Christian right? So you'd be saved, especially if your god has any compassion on a true believer at all. But seeing as how its all already worked out and predestined then its just going to happen one way or the other and there is nothing you can do about it, thus no point in worrying about it.
I don't believe in prophecy or an all-powerful god, so i'm not so much worried about the rapture coming. Massive natural disasters on the other hand... But if i were a believer, i would not be worried in the slightest about any of this, because however things are, they are that way because God made them that way and has all this in the master plan. An all-knowing God made you knowing all the choices you'd make, so why make someone just to send them to hell? |
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Originally posted by Jomb Yeah I shouldn't totally worry, but I'm just not living the best christian life right now, and some of it is sin (My belief). You're right if one believes something will come to pass, it'll happen and that one should shut-up and just let it be. I just freak out because I don't want it to be soon, that's the point of what I meant, sorry I didn't clarify. But I'm all around respectable to other people's beiefs, I don't preach at them, but I talk to them, unless they don't want me too  . Didn't mean to trail off subject just replying is all.  (edited by Skyon on 04-05-06 08:38 PM) (edited by Skyon on 04-05-06 08:38 PM) |
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Jomb Deddorokku Since: 12-03-05 From: purgatory Last post: 6298 days Last view: 6298 days |
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| Actually Skyon, I find you to be one of the least preachy Christians I've ever met, you actually do seem to be respectable to others beliefs. |
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| Yeah that's one thing I must do, and I believe God wants that too. Basically I'm cool with anybody's believing something, and heck yeah sure I'll talk to them about my religion, but if they don't want me too I'll simply shut-up; otherwise it's foolish and really wrong to try to force religion on someone, God even doesn't want it forced on people, God wants all to have free will, but not to force upon others. That is why you got some people (Even on this board) thinking the christian world is almost trying to be a dictatorship; I hate it when someone claims Christ in his life, yet he preaches at people on the street in a negative manner telling them their going to hell, when instead we should be kind to them, and tell them things about the light, but then again their are so many different kinds of Christian religions, that we even bicker at each other. But thanks for saying that Jomb, I appreciate it. I like discussing in peace. (edited by Skyon on 04-05-06 08:56 PM) |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6363 days Last view: 6326 days |
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| On the issue of religion the thing that "holds us back" is that our laws are mostly derived from Christianity since that’s the biggest religion in America at this point. Why do you think there are many different places all with different laws? If there was one unified religion then most likely we would have similar laws. The laws are based on religion whether we like it or not, religion is where our customs and our morals came from. The government should be based on logic not religion not saying we should take religious politicians out of office but rather pressure them to base decisions on logic instead of morals, customs, or religious belief.
And about the anti-Christ coming back there is nothing to do to prevent this so there is no need in trying . (edited by Crayola on 04-06-06 10:14 PM) (edited by Crayola on 04-24-06 01:37 AM) |
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Arwon Bazu Since: 11-18-05 From: Randwick, Sydney, NSW, Australia Last post: 6297 days Last view: 6297 days |
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| Laws come from religion?
Prove it. |
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Crayola Double stone axe Since: 03-18-06 From: coeburn,VA Last post: 6363 days Last view: 6326 days |
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| Blue laws are a fine example wrote a little about them earlier but do a Google search to get better info.
Here is what wikapedia said about them: A blue law, in the United States and Canada, is a type of law restricting certain activities, particularly shopping hours on Sunday, which had its roots in accommodating Christian Sunday worship, although it persists to this day more as a matter of tradition. The term blue law may have been first used by Reverend Samuel Peters in his book General History of Connecticut, which was first published in 1781, to refer to various laws first enacted by Puritan colonies in the 17th century which prohibited the selling of certain types of merchandise and retail or business activity of any kind on certain days of the week (usually Sunday). In Texas, for example, blue laws prohibited selling house wares such as pots, pans, and washing machines on Sunday until 1985; Texas as well as Colorado, Illinois, Indiana, Michigan and Minnesota car dealerships continue to operate under blue-law prohibitions in which an automobile may not be purchased or traded on a Sunday. Many U.S. states still prohibit selling alcohol on Sunday, or at least before noon on Sunday. Many unusual features of American culture — such as the fact that one can buy groceries, office supplies, and house wares from a drug store — are the result of blue laws, as drug stores were generally allowed to remain open on Sunday to accommodate emergency medical needs. The ubiquitous "weekend" is also a result of blue laws, although it is practiced nearly worldwide, except in some Islamic countries who have their weekend on Thursday and Friday. but other laws stemming from religion are less noticeable because they aren’t based on religion but rather based on the customs/morals that stem from religion .that’s why I want the government to rely on logic ,because true logic is in no form biased whereas customs and morals are. Customs and morals may frown on something even if there is no logical reason to do so, understand now? And as an update to my original list: I do not trust churches because of their septitude for corruption ,the church is run by man and man is a sinner. Evil begets evil and so on and so forth, read the bible it’s not corrupted as far as I know. (edited by Crayola on 04-06-06 10:49 PM) (edited by Crayola on 04-06-06 10:50 PM) (edited by Crayola on 04-06-06 10:53 PM) (edited by Crayola on 04-08-06 01:41 AM) (edited by Crayola on 04-08-06 02:05 AM) (edited by Crayola on 04-24-06 01:39 AM) |
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PeteWentzxFanaticx Since: 04-21-06 From: somewhere Last post: 6596 days Last view: 6596 days |
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eh. i think its bush's fault why we are in this mess. heh my grandfathers nurse said she thinks bush is the new anti-christ. which i wouldn't be surprised. how did we go from looking for osama bin laden to war with iraq? meh. there was NO POINT of war with iraq!! maybe bush just did that on purpose so when he raised the gas prices and shizz that he can collect some money to get us out of debt. which of course will never happen cuz were something trillion in debt. thats alot. the gas prices are effing retarded dude. people were stupid to re-elect bush.. and people are like "omg i hate him as a president" and for you bush voters... WHY THE FCUK DID YOU VOTE FOR HIM?!?!!?!. people in this world are freakin retarted these days.... ugh. like everything is fcuked up. even teh education part of america is retarted.. in my school we must have about 5-10 teachers that cant teach to save their lives. heh i dont blame the other countries for hating us. i would to. religion i dont really care about because im not into that religious stuff. i just slip in a prayer every once in awhile if i have a good reason. also, heres my example of fcuked up(even tho this is totally off topic); my boyfriend dumping me on easter for another girl!!! thats effed up!!! eh sorry i still have issues about that. but yeah bush is effed up and so are teh people that listen to him.. why dont we just get him impeached. cant we do that?? everyone knows he sucks ass and is doing shit to our government.. i mean come on.  |
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mattp Red Paratroopa Since: 03-04-06 Last post: 6560 days Last view: 6560 days |
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| I think idiots are holding america back. |
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