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1181 Micro-Goomba                  Since: 03-30-06 From: Halfway between here and there times two. Last post: 6610 days Last view: 6610 days |
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| Sky, learning guitar will start off being one of the most frustrating things you will ever try to do. Whatever you do, though, don't give up. It will all come together in time. There will be a point when you think you absolutely CAN NOT do it, but if you can get through that, it's pretty smooth sailing for the next few years, until your ready to learn pinch harmonics and taps and improv and crap that I'm just now mastering.
I speak so passionately about it because learning to play is something that has truly changed my life in a lot of different ways that I won't really explain much right now. But, trust me, it will be one of the most rewarding things you will do for yourself. And Cumu. Virvel, GO FOR IT! There's no reason not to. As for learning, if you're into more of a classical or a country or a jazz, it would be best to learn first-position chord progressions and positions and things like that. If you're more into rock, I suggest learning single-note rythms and drop-D power chords, although if you dwell on this too long, you're chord playing abilities might drag a little bit. I suggest Cyberfret.com like Matt suggested or TheoryLessons.com I think Cyberfret is more in-depth, but Theory Lessons is easier to understand. Keep us updated on how that's going for you. (edited by The Nic on 03-31-06 05:27 AM) |
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mattp Red Paratroopa    Since: 03-04-06 Last post: 6560 days Last view: 6560 days |
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| Muzgash is right. However all decent guitarists can play bass well, the inverse is not true. Starting off with bass is inadvisable. And I've never seen a harmonica player get chicks.
If you want to REALLY be sought after, be a good drummer. They're rare as HELL around here and the amount of bands that are in the local area is pretty much the same as the number of decent drummers. Also... Don't let people convince you that things are hard. Playing guitar is not hard, its EASY. If something's hard, you simply need to slow down and practice it more until you know it. I can play sweep arpeggios ( very advanced technique ) easily. This is because I practiced it slowly for MONTHS before I could get it to a decent speed. A lot of difficulty is in your mindset. If you think to yourself, "This is easy, I can do this, I just need to practice a little more", then you'll advance extremely fast. Honestly if you're just starting out and you want to seriously be a good guitarist, I would practice just holding the instrument comfortably and then practice picking each string with a relaxed, wrist based motion. Then practice picking two, three, etc. strings at a time until you feel comfortable with your right hand. THEN start working on left hand... your goal should be to play comfortably and naturally as possible. |
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1181 Micro-Goomba Since: 03-30-06 From: Halfway between here and there times two. Last post: 6610 days Last view: 6610 days |
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Originally posted by mattp I don't know if that was aimed at me or not, but again I want to clarify that, no, it's not HARD, but it can GET frustrating for the AVERAGE person. It's not hard, but at at times you might think so, and like mattp said, SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW it down. New players tend to immediately pick up a guitar and wanna play Hendrix right away and get dissapointed when they can't, put the guitar down and never play again. Step by step. (edited by The Nic on 04-01-06 05:17 AM) |
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windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6325 days Last view: 6303 days |
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Originally posted by The Nic I've been playing for a year and a half, and mastering pinch harmonics took weeks. It's really not that hard. I practice a lot (three to four hours a day) on electric and acoustic, so maybe that's it. I could do a lot soloing after about three months. The biggest part of soloing, I think, is knowing a pentatonic/blues scale, and having strong fingers for bends. You will improve faster if you practice more, obviously. Most popular music isn't hard to play, either. mattp: how are sweet apreggios difficult, like, at all? |
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LizardKing Bullet Bill  Since: 11-18-05 Last post: 6299 days Last view: 6296 days |
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I see some good advice in this thread. And yeah, I am gonna pick up the guitar, but not yet. I'm gonna wait until I start university this fall, since I have to move to get there, and then I won't have to drag a guitar and an amplifier along the way. 
And to think that I have actually been pondering about this for a year. I'm really slow with.. things. |
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mattp Red Paratroopa Since: 03-04-06 Last post: 6560 days Last view: 6560 days |
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| Sweep arpeggios? I mean like 5-6-7 string sweeps, or monster 4-5 octave sweeps, 16th notes or 16th note triplets at 200bpm.. 3 string sweeps are easy.
But sweep picking is a very advanced technique. Most people can't do it. Agreed though that pinch harmonics are easy. |
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windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6325 days Last view: 6303 days |
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Originally posted by mattp Are we talking about the same sweep picking? As in, picking up then down then up then down? |
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mattp Red Paratroopa Since: 03-04-06 Last post: 6560 days Last view: 6560 days |
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| Hahaha
There's the confusion You're thinking of alternate picking. ( Which is totally inferior to economy picking ) Here is a sweep picking arpeggio.... Am
That's actually one of the monster sweeps I was talking about but you can see the general idea. |
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windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6325 days Last view: 6303 days |
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Originally posted by mattp Oh, duh. I knew that. Sweep, not alternate, duur. But I see what you mean. Thanks for tabbing out that arpeggio, I would've asked you to anyway. I tried playing that with a metronome and clocked at around 120BPM. ;( So I'll need a lot of practice on that. Sweep picking isn't hard on its own, but when you have arpeggios with a bunch of slides or hammer downs/pull offs on one line, it gets pretty difficult. As for alternate vs. economy, I just do whatever's natural. My fingers take control. |
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mattp Red Paratroopa Since: 03-04-06 Last post: 6560 days Last view: 6560 days |
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| 120bpm, what type of note? 8th, triplet, 16th note, 16th note triplet? | |||
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windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6325 days Last view: 6303 days |
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| Oh my god I'm insane. 16th note. Should have specified.
It's a good excersize. |
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1181 Micro-Goomba Since: 03-30-06 From: Halfway between here and there times two. Last post: 6610 days Last view: 6610 days |
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Originally posted by windwaker Depends on your playing style I guess. We would start up a whole new conversation about what's harder than what or what takes longer to master. I've seen guys who can improv the most kick-ass solo ever for as long as they want, but then you ask them to play a G-Chord and they stop and re-position their fingers one-by-one. It's amusing, especially when they are showing off their skill and then I get to be the asshole who yells out "Show us a simple A minor chord!!". Fun stuff. |
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windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6325 days Last view: 6303 days |
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Originally posted by The Nic What are you saying? I can finger and bar C-form, D-form, A-form, and E-form major and minor chords all up the fret (not to mention sus's, 7's, 9's, add9's, maj7's, etc). You sound a bit bitter. ;D |
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mattp Red Paratroopa Since: 03-04-06 Last post: 6560 days Last view: 6560 days |
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Then the folk guitarist yells out.. "HEY DO FINGERPICKING" and you look stupid 
I try to be versatile but I play metal lead guitar for my band and thats the most important thing for me. The solo I wrote for one of my songs has 16th note triplets at 200bpm... and I don't think I can play it up to speed yet. Thus, I practice non stop for hours. |
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Ziff B2BB BACKTOBASICSBITCHES Since: 11-18-05 From: A room Last post: 6296 days Last view: 6296 days |
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| Guitars rule.
Don't be an idiot, though. I was seduced by the banjo. Do not fall down that path.  |
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windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6325 days Last view: 6303 days |
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Originally posted by Plus Sign Abomination A guitarist and a banjoist fall of a building. Who hits the ground first? The guitarist. The banjoist had to stop to retune a few times.  banjoist a word?
Originally posted by mattp There's a time and a place for fingerpicking. Neil Young, probably the biggest folk artist besides maybe Dylan, uses a pick most of the time. What really rocks is if you can hold a pick while fingerpicking, then later in the song, use the pick to get a really loud, full chord, whalloping (sp) sound. I think Jack White does that in Jolene. (edited by windwaker on 04-07-06 02:50 AM) |
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1181 Micro-Goomba Since: 03-30-06 From: Halfway between here and there times two. Last post: 6610 days Last view: 6610 days |
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Originally posted by windwaker How was I in any way bitter? I didn't say anything about you or your versatility. In fact, I didn't say anything about either of those things. The fact that you can do both of those things is great...nay, awesome, but it has nothing to do with what I said. It's all good though. Check out some of those guitar player message boards, some of those guys are hilarious the way the constantly cut each other down. It's good stuff. |
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windwaker Ninji i'm not judgemental, i'm cynical Lonely People of the World, Unite! Since: 12-27-05 Last post: 6325 days Last view: 6303 days |
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Originally posted by The NicOriginally posted by windwaker I assumed you were referring to me because you quoted me. My bad. Yeah, guitar message boards are really lame. I read a poll at guitargeek or somewhere titled "WHO CAN PLAY BETTER THAN JACK WHITE" and everyone voted yes. |
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-l]rake- Mini Octorok  Since: 04-10-06 From: Hebron, CT Last post: 6584 days Last view: 6584 days |
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| I've been playing guitar for 5 years or so... I play electric guitar in a band:
[www.myspace.com/bannedloot] or [www.soundclick.com/paullanier] I practiced really hard for the first couple of years. Even though my dad is also a guitarist, I am self taught. Here are a few tips for upcoming guitarists: 1) Guitar is a hard instrument to START on, but once you reach a certain point it gets exponentially easier. In other words, DON'T GIVE UP JUST YET! 2) Make sure your thumb is in the correct position (middle of your thumb in the middle of the back of the neck). This will give your fingers maximum reach. Once you get used to it, you'll thank me =) 3) Tabs are easy to start learning, and they are easy to visualize. Download some of your favorite songs in tab form, and try learning them. Don't be afraid to attempt harder songs as well, if you push yourself, you will learn faster. If you are willing to dish out a few meager dollars, here is a good site: [www.tabit.net] There is shareware also available. I learned using this program... it helped me a LOT! You can play back the tabs and listen to them in MIDI form. You can also write your own tabs. 4) Don't RELY on tabs. I know, I know, I just explained how cool tabs are. If you are serious about guitar though, you will need to know musical structure. Learn some music theory, and memorize the basic chords. The more you know about music theory, the easier it will be to jam using improv (my strength). It makes writing songs easier too! 5) Find someone to play with. Whether its a band, or a fellow guitarist... playing with people helps your rhythm and accuracy. 6) Have fun! |
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mattp Red Paratroopa Since: 03-04-06 Last post: 6560 days Last view: 6560 days |
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| The ESP Guitars message board is full of really helpful people actually. Not many big egos and a lot of very knowledgeable, talented people.
If you ever need gear advice, then http://www.espguitars.com is the best place to go. |
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